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Topic: The morality and manners of cyber in EQ
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-19-2002 11:48:58 PM
Some recent boredom at work, combined with some strange encounters within EQ, as me wondering about something:

How many of you feel that it's wrong to "cyber" in a game like EQ?

Yes, I realize the odds of the "female" player being a cute girl about five feet tall with tan skin and blonde hair are about the same as the "male" player being about seven feet tall with dark red hair/beard and a weightlifter's build (wood elf & barbarian, if you couldn't guess). That's not the question. The question is, if both sides agree to it, is it wrong to "cyber" in a MMORPG?

Also (and here's where the bordom at work came in), what are considered "good manners" for such a thing? Obviously, using /tells to do the emotes and dialog for this is a must (unless you're doing it on the stage in West FP), but what about the other rules?

Will Miss Manners yell at you if you don't give them a /tell the next day? Who gets the loot if you have to kill a MOB that attacked during this? How long do you have to wait before you /camp out? Are you allowed to challenge to a /duel to decide who pays for the room at the inn?

As you can see, most of the question isn't really serious. But, the first part (is it OK at all) is.

Feedback?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 05-19-2002 11:52:14 PM
Get a hobby.
Ruvie's Alt
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
posted 05-19-2002 11:52:31 PM
It's a little overused, but...

omg do u wnt 2 sybar?1

Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-19-2002 11:55:31 PM
cyber ranks up there with beastialty for me

its what people that cant get the real thing use :P

plus 9 times outta 10 that wood elf you think your having hot love with is really a 50 year old lawyer with a sick fantasy

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 05-19-2002 11:56:39 PM
what's it matter?
Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 05-20-2002 12:00:37 AM
You'd know that it's not actually made of wood.
Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 05-20-2002 12:04:06 AM
Yes, I think cyb0r in EQ is acceptable. But, like everything, there are rules and courtesies that must be observed.

1. EQ is a social game, and no place is really private. /tells are best. Be mindful of others. I've seen huge verbal scuffles break out because someone discovered two people becoming far more intimate with each other in a supposedly abandonned tent. EQ isn't your personal chatroom, nor is it like mudsex, where your only threat is someone walking into the same room with you or a mischan.

2. CONSENT. The thing with EQ is, you can not tell if the person behind the monitor is male, female, 13, 84, whatever. You have to go by their verbal prowess. And, really, would YOU jump all over someone if they popped up right behind you and started groping? No. That is harassment. Don't do it. Consent is key.

3. Don't whore yourself for plat or items. You just look cheap and stupid.

4. If you want to involve more than two people, you can, but there'll be issues with privacy. Say you found the perfect little out of the way place. Remember how I said no place in EQ is really private. it's true there. Shush. it is. Anyone can waltz in and you won't know until they do. Those newfangled chats help a lot here. So do groups. Keep it private, then have fun, you silly kids.

5. Putting your Staff of the Serpent into orifices is just nasty.

6. INTERRUPTIONS. They happen. You could be having a great session, and get interrupted by roving mobs. This sucks, but there's no real way to avoid this except to stay in city zones, and then, it's not 100% guaranteed (faction and such). Interruptions are the biggest danger to your hot EQ love session. A tip: anyplace with undead, steer clear of.

7. Legalness. If you're discovered, you will be warned. I don't agree with this, and if you're going to be having hot cyb0r in EQ, you don't either, but there's no way to change this except to keep it as FREAKISHLY PRIVATE as possible. EQ isn't the best place to share virtual bodily fluids, but if you want to, not stopping you. Be aware of the risks, and be ready to take the concequences if you get caught.

8. Age. Remember how Verant said EQ was a kids' game? There are kids playing. Be aware of this. ANother reason to keep things private.

All I can think of right now...



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 05-20-2002 12:07:50 AM
quote:
Eisuye had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
A tip: anyplace with undead, steer clear of.

But...but...zombies need loving, too.

[ 05-20-2002: Message edited by: Waisztarroz ]

Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
There's a raptor behind you.
Resident grammar whore.
Warning, flames imminent!
Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 05-20-2002 12:09:19 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Waisztarroz said this:
But...but...zombies need loving, too.

Oh yes, work that rigor mortis baby, oh yeah...



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 05-20-2002 12:13:53 AM
Hehe, in my EQ guild we have "team woodie"

A bunch of guys that all play female woodelfs =p None of them hide it; in fact it is blatantly obvious that they are guys.

On a typical weekend they get roughly ~20-30 tells for cyber between the 4 of them

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 05-20-2002 12:17:56 AM
Wood elves = tiny! Little specks of women I could step on. Too thin.

Barbarians = breasts = butt = nice figure = romp in the snow with me?



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-20-2002 12:18:24 AM
Let me clarify something right quick: I have no intention of having cyber in EQ (or anyplace else, thank you).

If, in the course of RP, things get a bit "intense" between my character and another, I will draw the line.

Any emotes that you wouldn't want a GM to see are too far.
If you want to say (for character RP) that the characters went off and had sex, that's ok if we both agree to it. It will not be RPed out though. It just "happened off camera".
I make no promises as to my appearance, build, race, or gender in Real Life. In character is in character. If you want something to fill in for RL stimulation, you're in the wrong place.
Plutonic stuff is A-OK. Remember, if it's something you wouldn't want a GM to see, it's a no-no.

I don't need advice on how to do it or anything like that. I was just wondering what everyone's oppinion of it was. How far is too far for the RP in a MMORPG, so to speak?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 05-20-2002 12:20:56 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Reynar wrote:
Hehe, in my EQ guild we have "team woodie"

A bunch of guys that all play female woodelfs =p None of them hide it; in fact it is blatantly obvious that they are guys.

On a typical weekend they get roughly ~20-30 tells for cyber between the 4 of them


omg gimme their names! My friends list is empty.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 05-20-2002 12:56:48 AM
Naota Nandaba
Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
posted 05-20-2002 12:57:14 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Vorago wrote:
Cyber scares me
Nothing amazing happens here.
Only the ordinary.
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 05-20-2002 12:58:51 AM
Just out of curiousity, why would you want to Cyber? Couldn't you just go look up some pr0n or something?
The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Faeth Es'Braewyn
No Breasts. :(
posted 05-20-2002 12:59:46 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Vorago said:
Cyber scares me
"Born of fire, forged with steel, I am the hunter that you know, but will never see..."
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-20-2002 01:03:35 AM
Just for my edification, why would cybar have anything to do with RP? In context of a game (rather than a pathetic lack of attention IRL), why would one bother to RP that aspect of a character?
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Super Kagrama
ROFLELFOLOL!!!11!1 YUO CAN'T RAED MY POSTSSE!@!11
posted 05-20-2002 01:06:15 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Bloodsage said:
In context of a game (rather than a pathetic lack of attention IRL), why would one bother to RP that aspect of a character?

RP is just an excuse for it. Like PKing and then covering it up with the guise that you're roleplaying a thief.

i shoueld joeg threw the foreast moer offeand!!11
Faeth Es'Braewyn
No Breasts. :(
posted 05-20-2002 01:09:38 AM
quote:
So quoth Bloodsage:
Just for my edification, why would cybar have anything to do with RP? In context of a game (rather than a pathetic lack of attention IRL), why would one bother to RP that aspect of a character?

Honestly that always confused me..

I mean being cute and cuddly I could understand, Fae has a side of her like that, but ummm.. Is there really any reason to go beyond the boundaries of PDA? I guess it would be semi understandable for couples doing the long distance thing. It's at least a way to reenforce faithfulness and still,.. enjoy?.. yourself.

But then again, I find the Carnal Knoledge rules for D&D extremely humorous and in some ways entertaining. I can also see some way to spice up a game with some humorous (Or even serious) bits with em. I doubt I could ever enforce them though, I would get to queasy.

I would never condem it for anyone who enjoys it though. If it's the way they wanna be, I say go for it. As long as you respect everyone else right to NOT want to be a part of it. ie: Get a room.

"Born of fire, forged with steel, I am the hunter that you know, but will never see..."
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-20-2002 01:29:52 AM
Yer all just upset that Kunark goblins are popular with the ladies cuz o' that tongue and such.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-20-2002 01:50:55 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Bloodsage wrote:
Just for my edification, why would cybar have anything to do with RP? In context of a game (rather than a pathetic lack of attention IRL), why would one bother to RP that aspect of a character?

You'll notice I draw the RP line before it goes that far, but I know there are those that do it. Heck, there was even a Dragon Magazine article about how to deal with RPing situations that turn to sex. (Their best advice, it should happen "off camera".)

Think of it like a movie. Lots of movies have sex scenes in them. Most of them don't really need them, they do nothing to really advance the plot or develop the characters. Every now and then though, you will find a movie where the sex scene does improve the plot somehow. Not often (very rarely, in fact), but it has been known to happen.

Also, there's a question of just where it goes from normal RP to "cyber". I know some people that would be horrified by talk of spankings and (_|_) such has appeared on this board, and would call it "cyber sex". Others would draw the line about where Bill Clinton draws it.

Given all the differing views on sex, and on RP, stuff that crosses the line is bound to turn up sooner or later.

Allthough, the WHY of it isn't what I'm wondering about. I'm wondering about what people think of it as far as good/bad to allow it to happen in a MMORPG.

That, and I suspect that Verant is going to re-create that Luclin-models "nude bug" with some minor changes and additional emotes, and open a new "Premium RP Server" for ages 21 and up. (Admit it, it would make money.)

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 05-20-2002 12:35:06 PM
Eh... I personally dont agree with it, would never do it myself, roleplaying or otherwise. I always told myself that the first time will BE the first time.. and something like that would seem fake and unfulfilling even if I were inclined to do it. I agree with the 'off the camera' thing someone said above. I mean, Pesco and I were just joking around about the RP thing when we all of a sudden decided to put Brynn into the picture.
"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 05-20-2002 12:39:44 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael impressed everyone with:
Yer all just upset that Kunark goblins are popular with the ladies cuz o' that tongue and such.

Everytime I see that tongue I think of that bit from Chris Rock's "No Sex in the Champaign Room" about pierced tongues.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-20-2002 12:53:06 PM
As long as the people doing it don't bug others with it, I don't see a problem with it.

Its when they bug others/do it in public that it starts to become a problem.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-20-2002 12:55:44 PM
quote:
Eisuye stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Barbarians = breasts = butt = nice figure = romp in the snow with me?
Yes...!


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-20-2002 05:04:20 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent JooJooFlop said:
Everytime I see that tongue I think of that bit from Chris Rock's "No Sex in the Champaign Room" about pierced tongues.

"If a woman has a pierced tongue, she'll probably suck your dick. If a guy has a pierced tongue, he'll probably suck your dick"

*goes off to listen to that "song" again*

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-21-2002 08:39:27 AM
So long as they keep it private, what they do is their business.

And it's quite fun, although I've never done it in EQ. Fun times in IRC, though.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 05-21-2002 08:47:00 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Bloodsage was all like:
Just for my edification, why would cybar have anything to do with RP? In context of a game (rather than a pathetic lack of attention IRL), why would one bother to RP that aspect of a character?

Numerous reasons, from "added realism", (making suspension of disbelief easier) to the fact that it can be just plain fun. A lot the former, yet mostly the latter.

But yeah, if ye gonna do it, keep it private.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-21-2002 08:58:53 AM
Sometimes it adds a depth to a RP couple that wouldn't have been there if things had just been glossed over. There's that experience and the specifics of that experience they would remember, and it could affect them in the future, maybe make it easier to get into a character's head, and feel closer to their significant other.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 05-21-2002 09:08:20 AM
quote:
Lyinar had this to say about dark elf butts:
Sometimes it adds a depth to a RP couple that wouldn't have been there if things had just been glossed over. There's that experience and the specifics of that experience they would remember, and it could affect them in the future, maybe make it easier to get into a character's head, and feel closer to their significant other.

This is true.

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 05-21-2002 09:11:17 AM
My reply would be:

Who gives a damn, if they are doing it in private? If they are enjoying themselves, all the more power to them.

Shrugs

Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 05-21-2002 12:47:48 PM
For the most part, I dont care if people cyber. I dont, I've got to much to do in EQ as it is and I hardly need some twit trying to get into my greeves.

Sadly, due to some people, I'm actually against it now. Why you ask? We have guild members or alliance members that cyber on our raids.

They're so busy getting off that the raid becomes second and I really cant stand that. Raid or Cyber. Dont do both.

Ferrel!
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 05-21-2002 12:50:41 PM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Ferrel wrote:
Raid or Cyber. Dont do both.

Comedy gold.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Vitamin X
Pancake
posted 05-21-2002 01:00:51 PM
Oh man those undead froglocks in lower guk can do things with their tounge you cant even imagine, well kinda tounge since its rotting and stuff
Are Necrophiliacs really sick people.....or do they just like the quiet?
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 05-21-2002 01:04:06 PM
quote:
Ferrel was listening to Cher while typing:
Sadly, due to some people, I'm actually against it now. Why you ask? We have guild members or alliance members that cyber on our raids.

They're so busy getting off that the raid becomes second and I really cant stand that. Raid or Cyber. Dont do both.


This. Is. Funny.

It even slipped into Alliance Chat before?

Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 05-21-2002 01:14:56 PM
Yes, we've had missfired cyber in:
Group chat
Guild chat
Alliance chat
Heal chat

The worst is alliance chat. Its the commands channel where all instructions are issued. Its our guild our alliance guild and both groups invites/recruits.

I once missfired an angry tell into it and had 2 guilds and about 10 recruits apologzing to me. Dont piss the gnoll off.

[ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: Ferrel ]

Ferrel!
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 05-21-2002 01:47:46 PM
quote:
Ferrel had this to say about Pirotess:
Yes, we've had missfired cyber in:
Group chat
Guild chat
Alliance chat
Heal chat

The worst is alliance chat. Its the commands channel where all instructions are issued. Its our guild our alliance guild and both groups invites/recruits.

I once missfired an angry tell into it and had 2 guilds and about 10 recruits apologzing to me. Dont piss the gnoll off.



Why does your little icon dealy say Sullon Zek? =)

Isn't this you listed here?: http://www.silentredemption.org/members.cgi

[ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: Reynar ]

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 05-21-2002 01:52:11 PM
quote:
Ferrel got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
I once missfired an angry tell into it and had 2 guilds and about 10 recruits apologzing to me. Dont piss the gnoll off.

Damn.. now that is impressive

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 05-21-2002 01:52:47 PM
She doesnt want everyone knowing her server
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