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Kanid
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posted 02-22-2002 10:11:56 AM
What happened to called shots?
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Bane
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posted 02-22-2002 10:14:09 AM
they were replaced with quarters?
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The Last Strider
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posted 02-22-2002 10:45:09 AM
I think that when they put in the "coup de gras", they said:
"Fuck, we need to take something out to balance this thing."
"How 'bout called shots? People won't like the penalty if we leave it, and we already screwed them over enough with what we did to fighting with two weapons."
"Meh. Good enough for me."

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: The Last Strider ]

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Rolin
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posted 02-22-2002 10:49:08 AM
Technically, coup de grace is a called shot.
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The Last Strider
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posted 02-22-2002 11:10:38 AM
quote:
Murdoc [remote] had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Technically, coup de grace is a called shot.

Yes. A called shot times a million and a half.
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Kanid
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posted 02-22-2002 11:15:55 AM
Coup de Grace requires a HELPLESS defender.

What if I want to aim and hit a specific location on a defender?

Since there is no rule, how does standard -4 sound? Similar to trying to hit a target who is in melee with an ally.

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Nae's Stooge
posted 02-22-2002 11:51:59 AM
My group had called shots, (with the -4 to hit) untill I got the spell True strike.

Called shots wher gone in 20 mins.

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Kanid
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posted 02-22-2002 01:28:50 PM
Actually should be easier to hit a target in melee than a direct hit to a specific part of a moving person.

Hrmmm, maybe -8 plus evokes an attack of opportunity due to your focus on the attack.

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KaLourin
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posted 02-22-2002 01:52:42 PM
I suppose -4 for a called shot would be sufficient, plus additional situational modifiers. Then again, 3e doesn't have anything in the way of hit location tables or body part damage/effects.

Now.. house rules on the other hand.. You can consider bodyparts as %'s of the total body hitpoints. Factor in negative effects when that % is depleted for a specific location.

This course however, would also need to factor in armor and armor/body coverage. You might be able to make that shot to disable a warriors sword arm if he's in just a leather tunic. But what about full plate?

This does make combat more lethal, and the tables can go both ways for and against the PC's

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Ukko The Papa Bear
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posted 02-22-2002 02:06:03 PM
*Crack hands*

Now if anyone woud read everything in them Books (i know, you have to be out of your mind to do so)

a called shoot is a Critical:
if you call what your aiming for & hit the critic , you got what you wanted... if not... ya still can hit whit normal AC.

BUT! ...

if you want to hit a body part, like, lets say the arm: -4 ... but you wont be cuting it or anything.

But what if ya wana cut his Hand (not cut off): -6

but what if you DO wont to cut his figuers off!: -8 (note that you must do 20% damage of his full HP to cut it off)

note that when your lvl 8n & down ... they are hard malus ... but once lvl 10 & up ...
gm: "you have -14 to make the hit"
player: " AWwwww, im down to 12 of Taco ... oh well... i hit 32 AC... is that inuff"
gm: " ..."

KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 02-22-2002 02:12:55 PM
This is in the book? A called shot is a critical hit so long as you beat the AC?

That doesnt sound right. My lv 17 char could easily make those rolls every strike.

what page in the books does this fall on?

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Tristan
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Nae's Stooge
posted 02-22-2002 02:14:15 PM
quote:
Ukko The Papa Bear had this to say about pies:
*Crack hands*

Now if anyone woud read everything in them Books (i know, you have to be out of your mind to do so)

a called shoot is a Critical:
if you call what your aiming for & hit the critic , you got what you wanted... if not... ya still can hit whit normal AC.

BUT! ...

if you want to hit a body part, like, lets say the arm: -4 ... but you wont be cuting it or anything.

But what if ya wana cut his Hand (not cut off): -6

but what if you DO wont to cut his figuers off!: -8 (note that you must do 20% damage of his full HP to cut it off)

note that when your lvl 8n & down ... they are hard malus ... but once lvl 10 & up ...
gm: "you have -14 to make the hit"
player: " AWwwww, im down to 12 of Taco ... oh well... i hit 32 AC... is that inuff"
gm: " ..."


3e, not 2e.

And yes, I have read all the 3e books.

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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 02-22-2002 03:44:16 PM
The attacks of opportunity make a big difference. He'd also have to sacrifice from his AC because he has committed his dexterity to a precision attack. With that said.

Figure -6 to Attack, -2 to AC, double the critical threat range, 10% chance of a crippling blow on a hit, 25% chance on a critical, and increase the damage by 50%.

But I'm just making that up on the spot.

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Kanid
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posted 02-22-2002 04:26:19 PM
quote:
Ford Prefect had this to say about (_|_):
The attacks of opportunity make a big difference.

Actually, just using a ranged weapon already does give an attack of opportunity, so no disadvantage there.

I'm thinking better to negate the whole dex bonus, since you aren't in the position to dodge at all when taking the time to make an aimed precise shot.

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: Kanid ]

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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 02-22-2002 04:49:42 PM
quote:
Kanid had this to say about Robocop:
I'm thinking better to negate the whole dex bonus, since you aren't in the position to dodge at all when taking the time to make an aimed precise shot.
Points to note:

1> You can't target a part of someone's body with a ranged weapon. Doing so would be a tremendous penalty, like -15. Precise strikes are a feature of down-and-dirty up close melee. It's also one of the best reasons a thief has for using a dagger.

2> Some characters don't get a dex bonus. For example, a level 8 warrior in full plate has a maximum dex bonus of +0. If he actually decides to wear full plate, he probably doesn't have a dex bonus to begin with. So saying he loses his dex bonus doesn't accomplish much against his great sword aiming for a neck chop.

3> Once characters get the Combat Reflexes feat, every chance at an extra attack of opportunity counts.

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posted 02-22-2002 11:16:15 PM
Depends on what you need a called shot for. If you're looking for a called shot in melee to disarm someone in a damaging way, then take that sort of feat/make that sort of move.

If you're looking to land a bloody or crippling blow (hamstring an opponent, give them a bleeding wound), use a variant of the feats found in the Song and Silence book.

If you're looking for a sniper-fire sort of called shot, be an assassin with a bow and use your Sneak Attack damage with a "True Shot" effect.

If you're looking for hitting someone in a specific place but not looking for an effect, resolve the attack as usual and just describe it as hitting a specific spot.

If you want to capture the effect of a full-fledged sword duel, though, be prepared to either take the Duellist PClass (found in Sword and Fist) or be prepared to pay through the nose for the appropriate feats.

All depends on what it is you want to accomplish.

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