EverCrest Message Forums
You are not logged in. Login or Register.
Author
Topic: Stupid overpowered low-end items
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 07:33:32 AM
Note that I don't play EQ anymore, so all of this is just hypothetical.

Which is better:

This

Or the tried and true, retarded looking...

God I hate that stien. But I also hate losing 4 int and 5dex

KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 02-08-2002 07:37:26 AM
why not wear both?

Providing of course you have both hands free and available.

Dont make me slap you so hard your bucket spins around, and around,and stops sideways,thus confusing you, and making you run about London wearing your bucket, a g-string, and carrying a stick,smacking the ground while yelling "MAGICALLY DELICIOUS! MAGICALLY FUCKING DELICIOUS!"- {Tal} to Mortious
Hebrew 9:3- 'And the Lord said unto me, "Dude, there isn't a K in covenant."' - Snoota

This beer drops trou and fucks your mouth with pure hoppy goodness. - Karnaj
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 02-08-2002 07:37:54 AM
quote:
Maradön? wrote this stupid crap:
Note that I don't play EQ anymore, so all of this is just hypothetical.

But you have a Magelo profile?

Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001

Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 02-08-2002 07:38:27 AM
HE GAINED A LEVEL!

[ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Lenlalron ]

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 07:39:32 AM
quote:
KaLourin DthBlayde impressed everyone with:
why not wear both?

Because in the other hand I have this:

Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 07:40:02 AM
quote:
Gydyon Waterlapper impressed everyone with:
But you have a Magelo profile?

Stay away from the man behind that curtain!

Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 02-08-2002 07:41:23 AM
quote:
Maradön? stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Stay away from the man behind that curtain!

You mean the man with the Magelo profile and Stein?

Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 07:41:37 AM
quote:
Maradön? had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Note that I don't play EQ anymore, so all of this is just hypothetical.

Which is better:

This

Or the tried and true, retarded looking...

God I hate that stien. But I also hate losing 4 int and 5dex


Stein...dex is useless on a pure caster, and 25sv DR is better then 10

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 02-08-2002 07:43:49 AM
Ahh.. in that case...

hmm... for some reason I'd go with the soul reaper. The hit to the INT might be supplemented by the +mana. also the benefit of the Channeling bonus and hps. The STR is irrelevant.

refresh my memory, DEX assists in maintaining concentration with casters right?

Dont make me slap you so hard your bucket spins around, and around,and stops sideways,thus confusing you, and making you run about London wearing your bucket, a g-string, and carrying a stick,smacking the ground while yelling "MAGICALLY DELICIOUS! MAGICALLY FUCKING DELICIOUS!"- {Tal} to Mortious
Hebrew 9:3- 'And the Lord said unto me, "Dude, there isn't a K in covenant."' - Snoota

This beer drops trou and fucks your mouth with pure hoppy goodness. - Karnaj
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 07:44:19 AM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about Captain Planet:
Stein...dex is useless on a pure caster, and 25sv DR is better then 10

You seem to have missed the 25hp/mana and 3% channeling skill upgrade.

Also, dex is rumored to help interrupts.

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 07:49:14 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Maradön? wrote:
You seem to have missed the 25hp/mana and 3% channeling skill upgrade.

Also, dex is rumored to help interrupts.


3%...laugh
25hp/mana is ok, but I'd keep the stein for more int. Unless you have hit the 255int cap, otherwise the base int is worth more to you then +25mana.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 07:50:23 AM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Reynar!
3%...laugh

3% skill upgrade is laughable?

Uh, 99.99% of the skill boost items in the game currently are less than 4%

Skills are worth much, much more than stats.

[ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Maradön? ]

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 07:57:04 AM
quote:
Maradön? stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
3% skill upgrade is laughable?

Uh, 99.99% of the skill boost items in the game currently are less than 4%

Skills are worth much, much more than stats.



Which is why most of them are utterly useless.

Why do you think aa xp arch skills only cost 2 points for that first 5%? Anything less then 10% isnt even worth considering IMHO.

While stats are usually useless, int / wis (depending which you use) are not. If you dont have 255, that should be your goal.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Random Insanity Generator
Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 02-08-2002 08:02:20 AM
I know my necro would kill for the reaper... Raw HP, which I convert to mana, Raw mana and a decent chunk of Int? No contest.

Granted this is because I've stripped him to his no drop gear at this point. Before I dumped him I wouldn't have really needed it as I was already carrying a heart and a caster-shield from CoM....

* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
-----------------------------------
"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
-----------------------------------
That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 02-08-2002 08:03:39 AM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about Punky Brewster:


While stats are usually useless, int / wis (depending which you use) are not. If you dont have 255, that should be your goal.


Hello, I'm a human mage. I started with 100 int. Is it humanly possible for me to cap it?

[ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Lenlalron ]

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 08:05:10 AM
quote:
Lenlalron had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Hello, I'm a human mage. I started with 100 int. Is it humanly possible for me to cap it?

Yep.

Im a troll shaman that started with 95wis, and I hit 255.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 08:12:42 AM
Actually, many schools of thought claim that as a Necromancer my int is almost completely worthless to me. What good is a large mana pool when you can just lich?

It's these schools of thought that issued in the "HP > int" revolution in Necromancers.

Second, if you seriously think ~6 skill points in channeling would be worthless, you're smoking something.

Also, is the 255 int cap really confirmed? Verant did a five word blurb about it with the Luclin patch but I've heard nothing of it since.

Zalathar Cevalkier
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 08:12:54 AM
Wow, so I'm not the only human wiz in the world? Sweet.
Random Insanity Generator
Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 02-08-2002 08:18:51 AM
I know I see a difference in my Shaman's mana pool going from 203 Wis to a 230 wis when I'm fully buffed.... It's nothing to write home about, but it is noticible when it comes time to buff folks (especialy since Harness ripps a bubble a throw)
* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
-----------------------------------
"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
-----------------------------------
That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 02-08-2002 08:22:28 AM
If you have 200ish Int, go for mana. If you dont have 200ish int, go for int. Nothing else matters. You can be picky when you get 200 int (Technically 255, but you get the largest effects up to 200).
Ferrel!
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 08:25:45 AM
quote:
Maradön? stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Actually, many schools of thought claim that as a Necromancer my int is almost completely worthless to me. What good is a large mana pool when you can just lich?

It's these schools of thought that issued in the "HP > int" revolution in Necromancers.

Second, if you seriously think ~6 skill points in channeling would be worthless, you're smoking something.

Also, is the 255 int cap really confirmed? Verant did a five word blurb about it with the Luclin patch but I've heard nothing of it since.



Speaking as someone who wasted aa points to get channeling bonuses, yes. Useless.

Yes, there's a very noticable difference in mana pool between 200 and 255 wis/int.

Also speaking as a shaman who has his own version of lich, yes hp = mana. But it is much easier to max your int/wis, then it is to get enough noticable +hp to get very effeciant liching / cannibilization.

If you have access to some +100hp items, then sure go the HP route. But if your determing factor for an item is +25 hp, then you need to re-think your character.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 02-08-2002 08:28:03 AM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about dark elf butts:

If you have access to some +100hp items, then sure go the HP route. But if your determing factor for an item is +25 hp, then you need to re-think your character.

I agree. Further, current int and mana is not worthless, it gives you mana to use right then, you dont have to wait for lich to regen it. Granted, that is speaking from a raid point of view.

Mana is your friend.

Ferrel!
Random Insanity Generator
Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 02-08-2002 08:28:44 AM
Unlike shamans though, casters are fail, little people until you get really into the end game.

I've seen level 60 Gnome Mages packing damn near 5k HP fully buffed. Erudite Necromancer packing around 4500 maxed out. Until you hit the 'end game' though, most of this isn't possible for a dress wearer....

Although some of thoes 100+ HP items would be rather sweet..

* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
-----------------------------------
"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
-----------------------------------
That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Random Insanity Generator
Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 02-08-2002 08:29:37 AM
quote:
Ferrel had this to say about John Romero:
I agree. Further, current int and mana is not worthless, it gives you mana to use right then, you dont have to wait for lich to regen it. Granted, that is speaking from a raid point of view.

Mana is your friend.


Bah.... I know how you clerics are... You only want me for my mana pool....

* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
-----------------------------------
"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
-----------------------------------
That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 02-08-2002 08:35:08 AM
Hey dont look at me! All anyone wants a cleric for is their mana pool!

It takes 4K mana to do Mass Group Buff: Group Aego! So dont tell me bout being mana whored ^_^

We all get tapped in one way or another, but yes youre right ^_^

Honestly though, we whore Magicians more now. We use super mod rods and spell shield. Probably just because we only have a few necros around T_T and they all dot/tap etc since they can now! Damn upgrades! Graar ^_^

Anyway off to class!

[ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Ferrel ]

Ferrel!
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 02-08-2002 08:42:48 AM
I'm such a buff whore
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 08:46:12 AM
quote:
Pesco had this to say about Cuba:
I'm such a buff whore

Pesco tells you: Focus, Agi, Sta, Acumen, regen, PA plz


Pulls out his hair!

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 02-08-2002 08:52:49 AM
I NEED MORE BUFF SLOTS!

MORE MORE MORE!!!!

Maelarr
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 09:02:42 AM
Hey we have the same arms!...er no wait, I have imbued.

You got better chest then me though but hey, im too lazy to go out and get a good robe for myself.

But Mara, I have decent INT, and buku hp. I got plenty of mana to start with, and with swapping out a few items I have even more hp. Throw in a few hp buffs and I Can stay Demi for nearly an entire raid. Just throw in a Theft of Vitae/Lifetap every now and again. Maybe gimp a druid/sham for a heal should I require one and am too busy pumping. Even better when grouped with a couple necro's. we all take turns thefting. HP for all! Mana for clerics!


All Empires Fall, You just have to know where to push- Me
Cleric Rogue Sigpic
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 09:05:16 AM
I believe that the "soft cap" of 200 is still there when you're under level 51. Once you hit 51, however, the new formula takes hold.

I'd personally go for the reaver. Why? Cos it looks kewl holdin two Scythes instead of a scythe and a mug.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 02-08-2002 09:06:19 AM
Mara:

What does the soul reaper look like when wielded? A scythe?

If so, use the soul reaper. Its good looks would outweigh the minor stat losses remember, the 4 int you would lose at level 50 is about 40 mana...not too terribly much. Especially not when it comes to looks.

/dev/null
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 09:24:49 AM
quote:
Ferrel wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Hey dont look at me! All anyone wants a cleric for is their mana pool!

It takes 4K mana to do Mass Group Buff: Group Aego! So dont tell me bout being mana whored ^_^

We all get tapped in one way or another, but yes youre right ^_^

Honestly though, we whore Magicians more now. We use super mod rods and spell shield. Probably just because we only have a few necros around T_T and they all dot/tap etc since they can now! Damn upgrades! Graar ^_^

Anyway off to class!


Bah..... Get you guild to gather some Necro usable things and I'd consider transferring over.

I was actually getting a kick outta being a "walking buff slot" for an enchanter.... I followed his ass all over PoF tossing out Shadowbond and twitching him... It was really damned amusing, until I died from it... Then it was hilarious.

Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 02-08-2002 09:30:19 AM
Hey, RIG, while you're here..

Do you have any idea what the Shaman spell Pox of Bertoxxulous costs?

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
/dev/null
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 09:43:35 AM
Pox is a rather expensive spell on my server as it only seem to drop from the Jugs in the bottom of Seb. There have been reports of it dropping off Guardian Wurms in Skyfire, but there are *much* fewer of them than there are of the Jugs...
Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 02-08-2002 09:49:53 AM
I got it off Emperor Chottal last night, and no one seems to know what it's worth.

Not to mention the price checks on it come back with the oddest answers. "5k" "KD" "too much"

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
/dev/null
Pancake
posted 02-08-2002 09:53:12 AM
Depending on where you sold it and how desperate the shaman was, 5k would be possible.

I've seen people offer in excess of 10k for a copy on Bristlebane... but again, we're talking desperate players here....

Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 02-08-2002 10:06:03 AM
It's rumoured that dex affects the chance of channeling going off, like agi affects dodge

I say go with the scythe, mostly because it's cooler

Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 10:12:22 AM
here's how I see it.

Soul Reaper > Mug

Why?

3% channeling is confirmed to help interrupts. 5 dex is only rumored.

25 HP 25 Mana on the scythe > 4 int 10hp on the mug

15SV disease more on the mug = useless. What casts disease spells these days anyway? I mean really.

+6 str is kinda useful for carrying those swords the Katta guards drop.

Scythe > Mug

[ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Maradön? ]

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 02-08-2002 10:20:38 AM
quote:
Maradön? had this to say about dark elf butts:
here's how I see it.

Soul Reaper > Mug

Why?

3% channeling is confirmed to help interrupts. 5 dex is only rumored.

25 HP 25 Mana on the scythe > 4 int 10hp on the mug

15SV disease more on the mug = useless. What casts disease spells these days anyway? I mean really.

+6 str is kinda useful for carrying those swords the Katta guards drop.

Scythe > Mug



What casts disease spells?? Good lord only about 300 or so mobs in SoL... =p

As for the question on Pox of bertoxx, it's pretty rare, anywhere from 10k to 50k depending on your server and how desperate your shamans are to get it.

I picked mine up from hosh in VP thankfully. But on Zeb is sells anywhere from 10-20k.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Maradon!
posted 02-08-2002 10:22:05 AM
quote:
Siliddar had this to say about Robocop:
You got better chest then me though but hey, im too lazy to go out and get a good robe for myself.

Dude. Just go solo the queen in crystal caverns and get a blackened crystalline. If you're at least 46 it'll be a cake walk.

BCR kinda sucks though. really looking for something better.

All times are US/Eastern
Hop To: