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Topic: Grow?!
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-08-2002 10:52:54 AM
I'm sure many of you have noticed the new shaman spell "Grow." (You can also make a potion that evokes this spell using alchemy). The effect is self-explanatory, it does the exact opposite of shrink. I'm trying to figure out exactly what useful purpose spell it has. Consider:

-Would not make you jump higher or further, the jumping height and distance is fixed regardless of height. It may seem that a gnome jumps higher than a troll, but that's only because of size perspective, their absolute jumping height and distance are identical.

-Would actually make it MORE difficult to move in dungeons.

-And last but not least, except for iksar, all shamans are large races anyway.

So what exactly is the puropse for this spell? How is it beneficial? Seems not to do anything useful, except maybe to raise your perspective a little (which you can already do without a spell, just by adjusting the camera height by pressing alt and the up arrow). If anyone hear knows of or can imagine any practical application to this spell, let mw know.

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 01-08-2002 10:55:05 AM
Eye candy.
"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 01-08-2002 10:55:44 AM
quote:
Troodon wrote this stupid crap:
blah blah blah
It cancels Shrink.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 01-08-2002 10:56:51 AM
quote:
Reynar had this to say:
Eye candy.

Indeed. Please, don't study the use of every little thing in EQ. We should be encouraging VI to include more RP-type things like this.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 01-08-2002 10:57:26 AM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say:
It cancels Shrink.

That too.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 01-08-2002 10:57:57 AM
It's for fun!

Iksar zilla. Uber gnome. The frickin-HUGE ogre.

Plus, it can be used outdoors. Cast it on someone in WK, and watch them have fun with it.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
/dev/null
Pancake
posted 01-08-2002 10:58:08 AM
Gnomes, Dwarves and Halflings in certain dungeons have problems with navigation due to height. Making them as big as a Human helps quite a bit.
Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-08-2002 11:01:12 AM
same day I saw my first Vah Sir PC's, I saw a dwarf with Grow on. I was a dwarf. and I find myself, as I finish selling some loot, turning and looking at a dwarf with the same face as me with Grow on.

And I think to myself..."Gee that's what I want to look like when I grow up!"

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-08-2002 11:08:42 AM
quote:
RPC had this to say about Pirotess:
Gnomes, Dwarves and Halflings in certain dungeons have problems with navigation due to height. Making them as big as a Human helps quite a bit.

Um, read my post again... this can easily be fixed by simply adjusting the camera height by pressing alt-up arrow, requiring no mana or potions, or a shaman. Although I admit that is a pretty good idea for practical application. Other than that it seems like a just for fun spell.

Batty
Doesn't Like You. Specifically you.
posted 01-08-2002 11:10:39 AM
quote:
Troodon had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
[QB]stuff about blah blah blahQB]

To add to what others have said...

In my guild one of our higher warriors is a Halfling. He is usually MA actually. Putting grow on him in places like Kael and other such areas helps us see where the hell he is. He used to be hidden because every other melee was taller.

/dev/null
Pancake
posted 01-08-2002 11:14:12 AM
quote:
Troodon wrote this stupid crap:
Um, read my post again... this can easily be fixed by simply adjusting the camera height by pressing alt-up arrow, requiring no mana or potions, or a shaman. Although I admit that is a pretty good idea for practical application. Other than that it seems like a just for fun spell.

Read my post again and then try taking a Gnome or a Halfling through the Blood Pool in the basement in Unrest.

Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-08-2002 11:20:35 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Duck Tales:
It's for fun!

Iksar zilla. Uber gnome. The frickin-HUGE ogre.

Plus, it can be used outdoors. Cast it on someone in WK, and watch them have fun with it.


As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong here, but grow can't make you any larger than the maximum player size. Which is not much bigger than what the default size for an ogre is anyway, do this spell won't do much for ogres. Just like shrink doesn't do much for gnomes...

I think you're right in that this spell is mostly for fun, although it could assist the smaller races in navigating certain dungeons (although as I've said, alt-up arrow can already adjusting their height persoective).

I'll give VI a point for creativity here, but it's hard understanding what they meant by this spell.

As for cancelling shrink, well you can already do this by logging off or leaving the zone, although that might no be convenient sometimes. But if you didn't want shrink, why have it cast in the first place?

On an unrelated note, I did notice they put in a Vah Shir illusion spell for enchanters, but they don't get it until level 54. I can imagine why; having a spell that makes you look like a race that has no racial tensions with anybody is EXTREMELY useful. But I think they could have given it a little lower, around 40 maybe? Oh well, worth the wait I suppose. But it makes it much higher level than any other playable race illusion.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-08-2002 11:26:29 AM
Did the words, 'Just for fun.' ever crosss your mind?


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 01-08-2002 11:40:40 AM
quote:
Troodon impressed everyone with:
Um, read my post again... this can easily be fixed by simply adjusting the camera height by pressing alt-up arrow, requiring no mana or potions, or a shaman. Although I admit that is a pretty good idea for practical application. Other than that it seems like a just for fun spell.

The end.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Jraik Doomshadow
The Furry Iksar
posted 01-08-2002 11:46:19 AM
Grow....my mate would like that....

Perverse, deserves flame.

Disgusting, deserves flame.

Saying it before anyone else, worth it.

There is an ancient Iksar saying, that something lasts only as long as the last person remembers it. My people have come to trust memory over history. Memory, like fire, is radiant and immutable. Those who renounce the flame of memory in order to put out the dangerous fire of truth: Beware these men, for they are dangerous themselves... and unwise. There are false histories written on the blood of those who might remember, and on those who seek the truth.
Jraik Doomshadow
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 01-08-2002 12:09:07 PM
It's not the view level that small races have a problem with. It's their physical height compared to some stairs and ledges.

As someone else mentioned, the blood pool in Unrest is a real bitch. So are most small holes that taller races can just walk over, small races have to jump.

Ergo, a human sized gnome doesn't have to jump to cross the same thing a normal sized gnome does. He can just walk over it like a Human.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 01-08-2002 12:12:56 PM
The Greatest Spell EVER is a 'Just For Fun' Spell

See Here

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 01-08-2002 12:14:41 PM
quote:
Pesco had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
The Greatest Spell EVER is a 'Just For Fun' Spell

See Here


I liked 'Whirl Til You Hurl' and the other Enchanter spinning spells.

Those were fun when bored.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
/dev/null
Pancake
posted 01-08-2002 12:14:54 PM
And that's some strong ass booze it summons too.
Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 01-08-2002 12:15:01 PM
quote:
Pesco had this to say:
The Greatest Spell EVER is a 'Just For Fun' Spell

See Here


I want one of those.

People who complain and whine about spells with no useful quality, are, indeed, in my honest opinion, assholes who need to shut the hell up.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-08-2002 12:21:43 PM
Thank you Pesco
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 01-08-2002 12:26:31 PM
every spell doestn have to have a use other than fun to be a good spell.

I love bristlebane's bundle.

Most mages want voice graft.

Fal

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 01-08-2002 12:27:20 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Most mages want voice graft.

I wanted Voice Graft also. Makes more sense for Enchanters to have it. Atleast more than Necros.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Espio Idsavant
You have gotten better at Being a Lush! (200)
posted 01-08-2002 02:39:20 PM
Our guild Grows the MAs and shamen if they are small size, and shrinks the rest of the raid. Make the important people easy to see, and helps them target stuff.

And as others have pointed out... this is a GAME. To have FUN in. You dont have to have a point to have fun.

And you can still be free, If time will set you free
And going higher than the mountain tops
And go high like the wind don't stop...


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Toktuk
Pooh Ogre
Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 01-08-2002 02:49:01 PM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
The frickin-HUGE ogre.

Grow does not work at all on Ogres, I've tried to grow myself several times. I can cast Grow on a Halfling three times, though, which makes them about the same size as an Ogre (casted it on Delowen). Conversely, I can Shrink myself twice, which makes me around the same height as a Gnome.

-Tok

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 01-08-2002 02:49:09 PM
quote:
Espio had this to say about pies:
Our guild Grows the MAs and shamen if they are small size, and shrinks the rest of the raid. Make the important people easy to see, and helps them target stuff.

And as others have pointed out... this is a GAME. To have FUN in. You dont have to have a point to have fun.


And the muchkins of the world rise, and say 'Wrong'.

Skaw
posted 01-08-2002 03:00:52 PM
Grow, the inverse of shrink, enlarges the target by 66%, where as shrink decreases the size 33%, Gnome sized Ogres, Ogre Sized Gnomes, its the perfect match to one of the most useful spells in the game.
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 01-08-2002 05:04:05 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Robocop:
every spell doestn have to have a use other than fun to be a good spell.

I love bristlebane's bundle.

Most mages want voice graft.

Fal



Sentinal was fun

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Lashanna
noob
posted 01-08-2002 05:57:57 PM
I got to be a giant Inkie the other day,

I was about Barbarian size, maybe abit bigger,

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Taylen
Pancake
posted 01-08-2002 06:28:02 PM
Grow helps small races get through shallow pools faster. As a wood elf I can walk through water that a dwarf has to swim through slower than me.
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Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 01-08-2002 07:00:04 PM
I would like Grow if it would make me as big as a giant. I would like Shrink if it made me as tiny as some of those people you see in wolf form.

New, more powerful Grow/Shrink spells need to be put into the game.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
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