I mean it cannot kill you. It will not give you lung cancer like Cigarettes. And it will not destroy your liver like Alcohol does.
So...what's the big deal? Sure it gets you messed up...but so does Alcohol.
...Anyone else have an opinion?
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Dead Tired wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
...I don't see why it's not legal already.I mean it cannot kill you. It will not give you lung cancer like Cigarettes. And it will not destroy your liver like Alcohol does.
So...what's the big deal? Sure it gets you messed up...but so does Alcohol.
...Anyone else have an opinion?
1. Yes it can kill you, certain alergies will do it for you
2. It can allow for LUNG Cancer, there are frwer carcnogens from it but still enough
3.True it won't destroy your liver, it will mess with your seritonin(sp.) levels though
trust me, these studies are rampant espically where I came from, Pot Loma High, thaat was my high schools nickname
As a side note yes i personally know marijuna is addictive due to the fact that i was once a young impreshionable teen 
Kinda sad though that that and smoking a cigar were the extent of my rebeling phase.
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Kameks thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
[QB]Marijuna on the other hand is fiarly new and no one really knows all the effects about it.QB]
WRONG, it's been around longer than you believe. I'd have to find where I read it, but it was used several thousand years ago.
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Dead Tired had this to say about Robocop:
...I don't see why it's not legal already.I mean it cannot kill you. It will not give you lung cancer like Cigarettes. And it will not destroy your liver like Alcohol does.
So...what's the big deal? Sure it gets you messed up...but so does Alcohol.
...Anyone else have an opinion?
Because everyone see's it as a "drug" and therefore popular opinion will keep it illegal.
Interesting enough, it's less harmful for your lungs then cigarettes, less addictive then alcohol, and fucks you up less then a lot of the over the counter drugs you can get.
Do I think they will legalize it? Nope not in the foreseeable future.
The biggest problem, though, is that the advocates of marijuana are seldom the sort of people you'd want as a spokesman for your concerns. Rebellious teenagers, experimenting college students, pardon the term but "hippies", etc are running headlong against lawyers and doctors, people who have the image of being professional hotshots. No-one, or generally no-one takes a pothead seriously. For the record we generally don't take alcoholics or drunks seriously either.
Another problem is that it creates a lot of effort. Technically the ATF would take over jurisdiction over regulation (like they do with alcohol), and with an age limit (which believe me there would be...thus nixing the arguments of all teenagers since it would be categorized as a mood altering substance like alcohol), but in the very least the ATF and law enforcement bodies would want more money to enforce the new laws. People don't like parting with money, and that's why we don't have a lot of laws that would make sense.
Speaking of laws, I've seen the following situation happen all to often, and it's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard in my entire life...
Anti-Drug Advocate: "Well if we legalize marijuana, there will be a push to legalize harder drugs like cocaine, acid, etc"
Pro-Drug Activist: "Yeah? So? if people want to fry their brain, I say let them"
Little secret folks: Don't ever base an argument on something that moronic. Pro-drug advocates have a sticking point with the Alcohol/Cigarette thing (though it's questionable how well the cigarette industry's going to be doing in the next ten years). They should focus on that rather than making dumbass statements like the one I gave above. Marijuana is, on the whole, comparitive in some areas to legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine and to a degree caffeine)and medications (over the counter stuff like sleeping pills that you can get hooked on). Crack cocaine, normal cocaine, LSD, PCP, Meth, heroin, Ecstasy, etc can kill you in one hit. There is no way to make their chemical compounds diluted. The chemistry of it is very simple. And yet time and again I see people advocating the legalization of all controlled substances. Here's the cold hard fact: That shit fucks you up. I don't want to live in a place where people are free to get hopped up on that stuff and wander around. It makes traditional means of enforcement somewhat ineffective, because often you're in a frenzy or just plain don't feel pain.
that having been said...The primary problem pro-drug activists have is arguing against medical data. Docs say marijuana is bad. Advocates say "yeah so is alcohol" and the Docs return with "Yeah well we don't recommend you smoke or drink either". Find a way to discredit the doctors and your case is made. Of course you'll never discredit the medical community on the whole...so batting the same argument forward repeatedly is just dumb. It's like pissing into the wind.
*shrugs* Personally I think before anyone legalizes another mind-altering substance they need to better enforce the laws on the books concerning the things we already allow. But that's another argument.
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Gydyon Waterlapper had this to say about Punky Brewster:
No. They won't.
That just seems so small and pathetic with a DethEssay above it. 
It was designed by the US Gov't back in the mid 40s as a chemical weapon. It was originally intended to be dropped from plains over nations we were going to ground assault. It's effects were intended to make people in those nations hallucinate so badly that it caused chaos and our troops could just march on in.
This has been your useless fact of the day =p
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote this stupid crap:
I don't think it will. Simple fact is that it's just not that big an issue. It's that sort of backburner issue that gets brought up whenever we have nothing better to do. It's apparently not that hard to get, and apparently not that expensive (both facts I gather from conversations I overhear on campus, since I don't partake of chemical alteration of that sort myself).The biggest problem, though, is that the advocates of marijuana are seldom the sort of people you'd want as a spokesman for your concerns. Rebellious teenagers, experimenting college students, pardon the term but "hippies", etc are running headlong against lawyers and doctors, people who have the image of being professional hotshots. No-one, or generally no-one takes a pothead seriously. For the record we generally don't take alcoholics or drunks seriously either.
Another problem is that it creates a lot of effort. Technically the ATF would take over jurisdiction over regulation (like they do with alcohol), and with an age limit (which believe me there would be...thus nixing the arguments of all teenagers since it would be categorized as a mood altering substance like alcohol), but in the very least the ATF and law enforcement bodies would want more money to enforce the new laws. People don't like parting with money, and that's why we don't have a lot of laws that would make sense.
Speaking of laws, I've seen the following situation happen all to often, and it's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard in my entire life...
Anti-Drug Advocate: "Well if we legalize marijuana, there will be a push to legalize harder drugs like cocaine, acid, etc"
Pro-Drug Activist: "Yeah? So? if people want to fry their brain, I say let them"
Little secret folks: Don't ever base an argument on something that moronic. Pro-drug advocates have a sticking point with the Alcohol/Cigarette thing (though it's questionable how well the cigarette industry's going to be doing in the next ten years). They should focus on that rather than making dumbass statements like the one I gave above. Marijuana is, on the whole, comparitive in some areas to legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine and to a degree caffeine)and medications (over the counter stuff like sleeping pills that you can get hooked on). Crack cocaine, normal cocaine, LSD, PCP, Meth, heroin, Ecstasy, etc can kill you in one hit. There is no way to make their chemical compounds diluted. The chemistry of it is very simple. And yet time and again I see people advocating the legalization of all controlled substances. Here's the cold hard fact: That shit fucks you up. I don't want to live in a place where people are free to get hopped up on that stuff and wander around. It makes traditional means of enforcement somewhat ineffective, because often you're in a frenzy or just plain don't feel pain.
that having been said...The primary problem pro-drug activists have is arguing against medical data. Docs say marijuana is bad. Advocates say "yeah so is alcohol" and the Docs return with "Yeah well we don't recommend you smoke or drink either". Find a way to discredit the doctors and your case is made. Of course you'll never discredit the medical community on the whole...so batting the same argument forward repeatedly is just dumb. It's like pissing into the wind.
*shrugs* Personally I think before anyone legalizes another mind-altering substance they need to better enforce the laws on the books concerning the things we already allow. But that's another argument.
...I bow down to your wisdom.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Pirotess:
*shrugs* Personally I think before anyone legalizes another mind-altering substance they need to better enforce the laws on the books concerning the things we already allow. But that's another argument.
You and I both know this is not going to happen. Lawyers make the laws, and they make money making new laws, not enforcing the current ones.
Feel-good politicians look good when they take a stance and make new laws. Cops get a bad reputation for enforcing current laws.
I don't care if people try to get "harder" drugs legal. They will each need to stand on their own merits. Marijuana is less poisonous to your system then tobacco. Marijuana has proven medicinal uses and should be legalized as a prescription drug by the individual states, as it has been in Arizona.
And when I say legalize, I mean outside the realm of medical treatment. In those cases it is already legal. If you need to relax... NO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT. But, if you're being threatened by gluacoma... all bets are off. **grins**
Oh and...
Marijuana is NOT addictive. It has no addictive elements. You're just as likely to get addicted to the paper you roll the blunt in.
And don't flame me, I don't have the time for that. The stuff above is based upon information gathered for a debate topic in highschool over 9 years ago... I COULD BE WRONG. So unless you start dropping credible links... my flame retardant suit is on.
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Kanid wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
You and I both know this is not going to happen. Lawyers make the laws, and they make money making new laws, not enforcing the current ones.Feel-good politicians look good when they take a stance and make new laws. Cops get a bad reputation for enforcing current laws.
I don't care if people try to get "harder" drugs legal. They will each need to stand on their own merits. Marijuana is less poisonous to your system then tobacco. Marijuana has proven medicinal uses and should be legalized as a prescription drug by the individual states, as it has been in Arizona.
Yeah I know...Pitiful isn't it. I respect cops. If I break a law, speeding for instance, and I get pulled over, shit...I don't hate the cop. I did something I shouldn't have, knew I shouldn't have, and oh well. *shrugs*
You're right. there's no glory in enforcing laws, only in "proving" your mettle by passing new ones til everyone's hands are tied.
Still, I can hope *sighs*
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Dead Tired had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I mean it cannot kill you. It will not give you lung cancer like Cigarettes.
Actually yeah, it can do both those things. Apparently you've never had a friend's lung collapse on you. One joint also contains about ten times the tar of one cigarette.
Only thing is THC is labratory proven to be about thirty times as addictive as tobacco, sorry folks, and it's more expensive, so it can also destroy your life financially.
Surprisingly, I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. And cocaine, and heroin. If people want to commit suicide the slow way, let 'em. [ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Koska Kintaro ]
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Check out the big brain on Dead Tired!
I mean it cannot kill you. It will not give you lung cancer like Cigarettes.
but the dealer you owe money to can. Sorry contrary to what people think the persons involved in drug trades are not people you want ot bring home to mommy. Most weed dealers i know are not exactly gems of society most have long criminal records and wouldnt hesitate to shoot thier own brother over drug money
it might not be the case in soem of your mroe remote areas but in the city, weed and other drugs related to it cause much violence
"In animal studies, physiologic withdrawal has been demonstrated in rats chronically treated with delta-9-THC, the main active ingredient in MJ."
American Psychiatric Press Textbook of Substance Abuse Treatment
Funny how all of the arguments in favor point, not to any possible or potential benefit, but rather to allegedly more harmful things that are legal already. All of the arguments mentioned here point toward making cigarettes or alchohol illegal, but not to making other drugs legal.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
BTW, physical addiction is extremely mild. Since THC isn't exactly water soluable it remains in your fatty tissues for a long time. This makes the withdrawal slow and mild. Most addiction is attributed to psychological reasons.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
Funny how all of the arguments in favor point, not to any possible or potential benefit, but rather to allegedly more harmful things that are legal already. All of the arguments mentioned here point toward making cigarettes or alchohol illegal, but not to making other drugs legal.
I sometimes wonder, if we got rid of legalized tobacco and alcohol, is caffeine next to go?
God I hope not, it tastes too good...
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Kanid had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Marijuana has proven medicinal uses and should be legalized as a prescription drug by the individual states, as it has been in Arizona.[/QB]
The California law was struck down by the Supreme Court of the US a few weeks back. States can not make laws that are contradictory to federal laws. They can make more stringant requirements, but the Federal Statuets are always the "required minimum." Because of the way the US system works, this ruling invalidated the Arizona statuate as well.
And I expect we'll see legalization of pot as soon as tobacco becomes closer to being outlawed. IMO, cigarette makers will start pushing to have it legalized so they can push it out instead of tobacco. They will use the argument of all the tobacco farmers, retailers, and the entire infrastructure of the tobacco industry will be left with no means of living, and become a huge unemployment drain..
Who do you think pays for the medical support of the people dying the slow way? I can pretty much guarantee it isn't the person dying, so that would leave...
the taxpayers.
Since I have no real desire to see my tax money doing something like keeping a crack addict alive when it could be doing things like improving schools or keeping emergency personnel alive, I'm going to have to vote 'NO' on the whole legalizing hard drugs thing...
On the other hand, I think that prostitution should be legalized, regulated and taxed. Can't make the claim that sex never killed anyone, but I can feel pretty confident that 1. sex is better for you than most currently illegal drugs and 2. If people at high-risk for STDs where monitored, perhaps there would be fewer STDs.
Thoughts?
[edit: I can't spell, okay?] [ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Kel ]
So don't say people who smoke weed are "Crack heads". [ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Dead Tired ]
If you need chemicals to validate your existence or even just to have a good time, you're a pathetically weak-minded person, there's just no two ways about it.
If you don't need chemicals, why pay for them at all?
*Shrug* Oh well...
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JooJooFlop had this to say about dark elf butts:
I sometimes wonder, if we got rid of legalized tobacco and alcohol, is caffeine next to go?God I hope not, it tastes too good...
they will never make alcohol illegal again... caused too much shit last time they tried it
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Dead Tired had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Kel- Crack and Weed are two different things.So don't say people who smoke weed are "Crack heads".
NSS - I wasn't refering to people who smoke marajuana... I was referring to the 'legalize everything' comments that were made.
Which would be why I phrased the 'people who are saying let them commit suicide the slow way' comment the way I did.
Am I in favor of the legalization of Pot? Yes, can't tax it if it isn't legal. Do I think it will ever happen? No, people (as a group) are sheep without the ability to form their own opinions and trust others to do the same. Personally, being drastically allergic to nicotine has done wonders for my desire to dump large amounts of water on anyone who smokes in a non-smoking area, or up wind, or really anywhere that I have to breathe. Since I'm crazzily addicted to continuing breathing, I'm a little militant on the subject.
I personally couldn't care less about what other people do in their own spaces, with their own money and their own bodies... have a blast. When you start interfering with the way I want to live my life, I start getting pissed. Pot doesn't make me stop breathing (Note: since it relaxes the bronchial tubes, it actually makes breathing easier...), smoke away.
I think the concept of needing an outside element to mess with your personal control is wacked. Pot changes the chemical composition of your brain, learning something while under its influence pretty much guaruntees you won't remember it when not... since I LIKE remembering my life, I tend to avoid anything that takes that away from me. Alcohol does the same thing.
Don't even get me started on the 'All natural, not a drug' stuff... I can bend your mind with the contents of my spice rack... know what you are messing with or stay the **** away from me.
Mainly in spiritual ceremonies in certine native american tribes.I believe, like peyote (the very few remaining buds) along with a few other plants that were used for the same purposes but are illegal substenses, can be legaly owned and used by lisenced Shamans, preists and preistesses. *BUT* only for the use of the ceromonies they were intended for.
(I studied to be a Shaman for a while, and that was one of the things you need to know. If you get caught useing the stuff for personal use, and not what it's ment for, you can get your license revoked, fined, and jailed.)
We shouldn't re-illegalize alcohol. We'll get high alcohol use again, just like last time it was outlawed, as well as many people getting arrested for prohibition.
As far as marijuana goes, I think hemp could be legalized, but not smoking marijuana. I mean the hemp we can use to make all 1001+ items, as in the hemp that wouldn't get you high if you smoked it for hours. I don't think we will or should legalize marijuana itself. It's really just too risky with what we know right now.
Let's say theoretically we did legalize it. There would definitely be regulations on it, and street dealing would be illegal. It wouldn't be sold by marijuana dealers, Cadga, as we don't see alcohol or cigarettes being sold the same way. The regulations would keep it to a lower content of harsh chemicals and assure the purity of it. Would this necessarily be a bad thing? I say it depends on how well it would be regulated and how much is allowed.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Radience was all like:
The California law was struck down by the Supreme Court of the US a few weeks back. States can not make laws that are contradictory to federal laws. They can make more stringant requirements, but the Federal Statuets are always the "required minimum." Because of the way the US system works, this ruling invalidated the Arizona statuate as well.
I disagree. When there is a federal law made that exceeds the jurisdiction of the federal goverment, that law is unconstitutional.
The use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes within the state of Arizona does not have anything to do with interstate commerce and does not fall under the jurisdiction of the federal goverment and is up to the local goverment to decide the legality of it.
Should the federal goverment decide to try to crack down on the cancer and gloucoma patients in Arizona, I'm sure the state supreme court here will find their law unconstitutional, just as they did with the Brady Law, which is no longer enforced in Arizona either.
And Bloodsage is right, my stating of the proven medicinal uses of Marijuana is in no way a positive reflection of Marijuana itself.
And Waisz, growing hemp in the United States IS legal. The restrictions and safeguards required to do so legally make it cost prohibitive so it isn't done. [ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Kanid ]
A girl in my English class who sits next to me tapped me on the shoulder today.
"Do you smoke pot?"
"No. . ."
"Oh. You don't know WHAT you're missing!"
I almost smacked her.
I just don't think it's cool or attractive, at all, and I look down upon those who waste their time and money to do it.
My opinion.
[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Ayerine Angelyre ]
[EDIT: I also don't believe that pot has any place in the medical field. Of course it will make you feel better if you're really sick and in pain - you're too stoned to feel anything! I honestly think that the people who are trying to legalize it are the stoners themselves, and are trying to find any excuse possible to make it legal so that they won't have to sneak it around the cops anymore. This isn't a new act. They've been trying to legalize this shit since the late 50's. It's all pathetic, really.]
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Ayerine Angelyre had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I just don't think it's cool or attractive, at all, and I look down upon those who waste their time and money to do it.
I pray you never get gloucoma.
I don't want it legalized like alcohol and tobacco, I want it legalized like morphine, or any other prescription drug, for use as prescribed by a physician. [ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Kanid ]
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Kanid had this to say about Tron:
I pray you never get gloucoma.I don't want it legalized like alcohol and tobacco, I want it legalized like morphine, or any other prescription drug, for use as prescribed by a physician.
It's your opinion, man.
But it's not like it could save your life. It will only temporarily numb-out the pain, at best. Maybe if it proved to be more useful, I'd change my mind.
Until then, I just hate the stuff, period. No excuses.
