Triple attack for monks...more damage with 2handed weapons...wow. Granted I will try to not get my hopes up that much, but I really like the sound of it 
If they go through with this:
YAY!
*unstoppable*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 
Quizamo seems to dream too much.....
i'm truely shocked.
Bards are indeed intended to have the least ability to deal damage physically of all the classes we're discussing. However, with their lack of double attack they didn't meet even our intentions for their damage output. We will, therefore, be raising the offense and one-handed weapon caps for bards over 50th level to match that of warriors. This should place their ability to do damage by means of melee within our intended range without making them more effective than the knights at any given level, since double attack is a potent melee skill that bards do not get.
i like it
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RangersWe've also noticed that rangers, while intended to be hit harder in combat than other melee/hybrid classes, are getting hit harder than we planned. Again, this only happens in the 50+ level range. So we will be increasing the defense cap for rangers again slightly to 210 at 60th level. Exactly how these points will be distributed is uncertain, but probably just one point per level after 50. We will also be giving rangers triple attack.
MWAH!!!!!
Burn in Hades, you COTH whores. Yeah, that's right. THATS ALL YOU CAN DO!
Then I'd be doing the happy dance I hate the Medium only stuff 
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Originally posted by Lenlalron:
Mages:Burn in Hades, you COTH whores. Yeah, that's right. THATS ALL YOU CAN DO!
Untrue! You summon us material goods as well!
Sniff
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Originally posted by Lenlalron:
Oh, wait, we can summon bandages. I guess I'm not very informed about the Mage class.
Summon my arrows bitch!
Pesco bitchsmax0rz the mage!
Oh no wait... Sorry you have been replaced...
Pesco's Tolan's Darkwood Bracer begins to glow.
This might actually mean that the old max bard damage 'rule' of MaxDamage = CurrentLevel might actually go away!
Espio drools in anticipation of doing more then 50 damage while hoping that this just isn't another cruel Verant joke
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Rangers
We've also noticed that rangers, while intended to be hit harder in combat than other melee/hybrid classes, are getting hit harder than we planned. Again, this only happens in the 50+ level range. So we will be increasing the defense cap for rangers again slightly to 210 at 60th level. Exactly how these points will be distributed is uncertain, but probably just one point per level after 50. We will also be giving rangers triple attack.
W00T!
triple attack, triple attack, triple attack!!
Cue Maradon.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Originally posted by Fazumzen Fastfist:
This is the first time I have witnessed Verant actually making things easier for classes. Monks should have had triple attack anyway - no one that strong punches that slow.
SLOW?! Your average level 60 monk punches 4 times every 1.6 seconds. Yes, I'm assuming with epic. Show me a level 60 monk without it who's still trying for it.
Now they'll be punching SIX times, for what, 45 or so damage? Thats just fucking overpowerered vs Magic damage ability.
Wizards just lost the ability to outnuke a Monk in a short timeframe, which is the only way they could before this.
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Originally posted by mog:
Demitri, QUIT YOUR BITCHING its poeple like youwho are making them nerf evryhting, you dont ask verant to make yourclass stronger, you bitch at them for makoing other classes stronger
I'm bitching, because, for once, everything seemed sort of balanced. Shit like this just shows no sort of thought about other people and classes.
I'm interested to see what Verant will do once the entire Wizard community catches wind of this.
I bitch about valid issues, mog. I'm not Maradon, try to get that through your skull. [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Demitri ]
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Originally posted by mog:
the point is your saying that monks should be nerfed, not that wizzys should be made better
Did I ever say that? Hell no. I said this melee upgrade is the spawn of stupidity.
And yes, Cadga, say goodbye to rogue supremacy.
Toe-to-toe Fighting:
Before Change: Rogues - Rangers - Monks - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - Bards
After Change: Monks - Rangers - Rogues - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - Bards
Behind the Mob Fighting: <- This is what is done the most
Before Change: Rogues - Rangers - Monks - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - Bards
After Change: Rogues - Monks - Rangers - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - Bards
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Originally posted by Cadga the Confused Monkey:
*sheds a tear for the rogues*
it was nice dealing the most melee dmg.. geuss them days are over hehe
Yall STILL will do WAY more damage than Rangers / Monks post 50... Backstab is the key. [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Pesco ]
quote:Toe-to-toe Fighting:
Monks - Rangers - Rogues - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - BardsBehind the Mob Fighting: <- This is what is done the most
Rogues - Monks - Rangers - Warriors - Paladins/SKs - Bards
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Am i the only one who s\ees a majr proplem hear?, tis is redicaulous, to make evrything balanced bards need to get triple attackat lv. 3
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Originally posted by Demitri:
SLOW?! Your average level 60 monk punches 4 times every 1.6 seconds. Yes, I'm assuming with epic. Show me a level 60 monk without it who's still trying for it.Now they'll be punching SIX times, for what, 45 or so damage? Thats just fucking overpowerered vs Magic damage ability.
Wizards just lost the ability to outnuke a Monk in a short timeframe, which is the only way they could before this.
45 with fists maybe, personally I have 1 primal 1hb and 1 priceless 1hb, I hit for 80-90 every hit (more when avatar procs).
If this makes it live I'll be interested to see how much more dmg I output.
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Originally posted by Demitri:
I'm bitching, because, for once, everything seemed sort of balanced. Shit like this just shows no sort of thought about other people and classes.I'm interested to see what Verant will do once the entire Wizard community catches wind of this.
GOD DAMN VERENT!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGGGGGGGG!!!!
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Originally posted by mog:
Am i the only one who s\ees a majr proplem hear?, tis is redicaulous, to make evrything balanced bards need to get triple attackat lv. 3
I dont see a problem with the class dmg order, only that the gap between warriors and bards was HUGE. And it sounds like with the 2 handed and bard changes, the gap will be made smaller, which is what should be done.
Bards should still do the least dmg of the melee classes since they have many other things at their disposal..but the amount of dmg they are currently doing is a joke, it needs to be raised
quote:We have not been 'beaten by the nerf stick the most.' To get beaten requires attention. If anything, the 'nerfs' to the bard class in the past 9 months have only be side-effect nerfs of changes to other classes - the biggest one that comes to mind is charm clearing the hate list, making it much more difficult for soloing bards to charm kite. And (amazingly some might say), Verant acknowledged this, and increased our charm time.
Originally posted by mog:
No, i lay eq when ever my comp will let me, wicisn that much, i do however have a 27 bard and believe me, we have been the class beaten wit the ner stivk the most
Quite a few other classes have gotten it worse then bards, if anything, major changes in the past 9 months have put us ahead: the increase of our defense and dodge skills post 50 to match warriors, the removal of the hybrid exp penalty, the increase in charm times, and now the proposed increase in our offensive and weapon skills post 50 to match warriors. The only nerf that comes to my mind is the charm-memblur change, which, if played with right, can be used to your advantage rather then disadvantage.
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Originally posted by Demitri:
I'm bitching, because, for once, everything seemed sort of balanced. Shit like this just shows no sort of thought about other people and classes.I'm interested to see what Verant will do once the entire Wizard community catches wind of this.
As I recall, one of the higher ups in Verant's EQ team said that they are bringing new caster items in with SoL. Stuff that makes a caster more powerful (and not just raises INT/Mana). This is to make up for the fact that weapon classes can keep finding better and better weapons to make them more and more powerful, but spells stay the same.
I suspect that the melee changes are to go hand in hand with these new items for the spellcasters, to bring everyone up to speed.
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Originally posted by Quizamo Sploderman:
GOD DAMN VERENT!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGGGGGGGG!!!!
Really this isnt a blow to wizards, Velious itself was the real blow to wizards, it made most of their spells (aside from lures) resist, and turned them into taxi's (even moreso) [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Reynar ]
"What was I talking about again?"
"Before you respond with some ignorant drivel, please stop yourself."
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Originally posted by Pesco:
Casters are getting Focus Items from levels 1-60 in SoL
Yah, that was it.
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I'm interested to see what Verant will do once the entire Wizard community catches wind of this.
