It's someone where int he pit of my room - I'm sure of it, this time. I have thecase, and the CD key, and I DO know where it is... It's in my veyr large CD case. Now.... where my CD case is, only god knows. Probably buried under furnature. This is my second copy of the game, since my sister threw out the frist one.
Would it be wrong for me to download and install a warezed version of B&W, since I own the game, but I just can't find the CD? Similarly, woul dit be wrong to use a warezed version if my CD stopped workign?
They won't keep the warez up if no one downloads them, but as long as there's an interest in stolen software, it will be there.
But ya know, it's wayyyy to annoying to have to play though the tutorial (they made it so you can skip the whole tutorial mess and just jump right into the game, if you can't patch it. Of cours,e you can't patch a warez version. 
) It's just... if you OWN it, isn't it ok to have a back up copy?
under the chair, under all the clothes. I AM SO HAPPY.
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Gikkwiny Model 2000 was programmed to say:
OMG I FOUND IT!under the chair, under all the clothes. I AM SO HAPPY.
Does your chair sit on a tower of clothes?
Why on earth would you imagine it would be okay to do something illegal to counteract pure, unadulterated laziness and inefficiency on your part?
You wouldn't ask, "I can't find my diamond ring, so is it okay if I go steal one instead of searching my house?". . .would you? Same thing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
No, it's not okay. Not even a little bit.Why on earth would you imagine it would be okay to do something illegal to counteract pure, unadulterated laziness and inefficiency on your part?
You wouldn't ask, "I can't find my diamond ring, so is it okay if I go steal one instead of searching my house?". . .would you? Same thing.
That brings up an interesting point.
The SAT I just took had the opinions of two musicians on Napster. One displayed typical feelings; downloaders of songs are illegal and should stop.
The other, however, made an argument that most people today sell verbs, not nouns. He went on to say that while stealing nouns directly hurts their sales, stealing verbs can increase their sales. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it did make me think.
A diamond ring is a real thing; you can't exactly compare it to intellectual things. It's theft either way, but the impact and damages caused behave completely different.
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Where's Waisz? had this to say about Cuba:
A diamond ring is a real thing; you can't exactly compare it to intellectual things. It's theft either way, but the impact and damages caused behave completely different.
yes yes yes yes yes
I hate it when people compare it to completely different things.
edit: "It's like breaking into the musician's house and stealing their TV!" roflolol [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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Kegwen's fortune cookie read:
yes yes yes yes yesI hate it when people compare it to completely different things.
People say they are different things for only one purpose: to rationalize their theft. In every important way, they are the same.
What you're saying is that it's essentially okay to steal as long as the victim has a whole collection of diamond necklaces, and won't be deprived of their use.
Sorry, but that doesn't cut the logical mustard.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Nobody really understood why Bloodsage wrote:
People say they are different things for only one purpose: to rationalize their theft. In every important way, they are the same.What you're saying is that it's essentially okay to steal as long as the victim has a whole collection of diamond necklaces, and won't be deprived of their use.
Sorry, but that doesn't cut the logical mustard.
No, you're misconstrueing (sp) my argument to prove YOUR point.
Listen, I'm stealing and I don't give a fuck. I admit to it. I am stealing music. I am a dirty thief. That is out of the way.
I just hate it when people try to say it's the same thing as fucking breaking down someone's door and stealing their shit. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
edit: OOps. We must honor Gikk's request and not flame. SOrry. [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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Where's Waisz? wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
That brings up an interesting point.The SAT I just took had the opinions of two musicians on Napster. One displayed typical feelings; downloaders of songs are illegal and should stop.
The other, however, made an argument that most people today sell verbs, not nouns. He went on to say that while stealing nouns directly hurts their sales, stealing verbs can increase their sales. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it did make me think.
A diamond ring is a real thing; you can't exactly compare it to intellectual things. It's theft either way, but the impact and damages caused behave completely different.
This is also specious, and is one of the rhetorical sleights of hand thieves use to justify themselves.
Think about it--what is the incentive to buy something you can have for free? Anyone who's spent more than a nanosecond in the most basic econ class, or has the faintest appreciation for human nature, knows the answer to that one.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Without it having base in real terms, it remains imaginary, and thus infinite. If someone has inifinite rings, there are more things to worry about than theft (like, how did they get an infinite amount of matter?).
It makes more sense to say you are stealing the artist's time and work, not their song. [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Where's Waisz? ]
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Kegwen stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
No, you're misconstrueing (sp) my argument to prove YOUR point.Listen, I'm stealing and I don't give a fuck. I admit to it. I am stealing music. I am a dirty thief. That is out of the way.
I just hate it when people try to say it's the same thing as fucking breaking down someone's door and stealing their shit. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
edit: OOps. We must honor Gikk's request and not flame. SOrry.
It's exactly the same, sorry.
What--you want credit for neatness, or something?
Taking something that doesn't belong to you, simply so you can enjoy something you otherwise couldn't afford is stealing, and there's no difference whether it's a candy bar, a diamond ring, or music.
As a matter of fact, when one adds up the dollar value of most illegal MP3 collections, it ends up in the diamond ring category pretty quickly.
All you're whining about is that, since you can't point to a particular victim by name, that you're not doing anything too wrong. Or, alternatively, the story goes that, since the allegedly main victim, RIAA, is oh-so-evil, it's okay, too.
That's all bullshit.
And the only thing you've offered in your defense is, "Uh-uh! What I do is qualitatively different, even though it's still stealing!"
That's bullshit, too. Either quit whining and accept the fact, or try to say something more creative than, "Is not! I hate that!"
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
edit: Intellecual property != physical property [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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Bloodsage probably says this to all the girls:
No, it's not okay. Not even a little bit.Why on earth would you imagine it would be okay to do something illegal to counteract pure, unadulterated laziness and inefficiency on your part?
You wouldn't ask, "I can't find my diamond ring, so is it okay if I go steal one instead of searching my house?". . .would you? Same thing.
NOT the same thing. she bought the physical cd, case, booklet, etc, and ALSO bought the right to USE the software. Now note the phrasing. Not the right to use the CD, but the software.
Just like purchasing multiple licenses from microsoft, they don't send you multiple cd's, they sell you the right to use the software for multiple users/machines. She purchased the right to use the software, and thus, were she to download a copy of it from elsewhere, there's no ifference than inserting the copy you recieved at the time.
Like this:
You buy a CD.
You want to listen to it on your PC.
instead of ripping the CD, you download ONLY THOSE SONGS which you've PAID for the right to listen to. The source is irrelevant.
No, Really. Bite me.
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Kegwen obviously shouldn't have said:
When the fuck did I ever say I wasn't doing anything wrong? Jesus christ.
You said stealing music isn't the same as stealing stuff.
Did you know stealing is still stealing regardless of what you steal?
Shut up and go steal a sandwich, Sigfried.
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Where's Waisz?'s unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
The only "conversion" you can make on it to put it into a real term, though, is to see it as a service performed; it has consumed some fraction of the finite time an artist spends alive.Without it having base in real terms, it remains imaginary, and thus infinite. If someone has inifinite rings, there are more things to worry about than theft (like, how did they get an infinite amount of matter?).
It makes more sense to say you are stealing the artist's time and work, not their song.
So? A diamond ring is just rocks and dirt. And, despite rumors, there's no shortage of either.
Supply and demand work exactly the same way with time as they do with physical commodities.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Where's Waisz? had this to say about Tron:
On a funnier note, I realized my last post had no point other than to possibly clarify something. I'm not sure who I was clarifying it for, though...
Satan.
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Iron Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
You said stealing music isn't the same as stealing stuff.Did you know stealing is still stealing regardless of what you steal?
Shut up and go steal a sandwich, Sigfried.
comparing the extermity, not saying that because it's less extreme than stealing stuff that it isn't stealing at all.
I AM STEALING MUSIC. I AM A THEFT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
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Iron Parcelan painfully thought these words up:
Satan.
Yes, there we go.
Please stop calling it song theft. It's time theft. [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Where's Waisz? ]
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Burger had this to say about Captain Planet:
NOT the same thing. she bought the physical cd, case, booklet, etc, and ALSO bought the right to USE the software. Now note the phrasing. Not the right to use the CD, but the software.Just like purchasing multiple licenses from microsoft, they don't send you multiple cd's, they sell you the right to use the software for multiple users/machines. She purchased the right to use the software, and thus, were she to download a copy of it from elsewhere, there's no ifference than inserting the copy you recieved at the time.
Like this:
You buy a CD.
You want to listen to it on your PC.
instead of ripping the CD, you download ONLY THOSE SONGS which you've PAID for the right to listen to. The source is irrelevant.
She has not bought the right to crack the software, or to download a cracked copy, or to use a backup she did not make herself.
Thanks for playing.
Doing something illegal simply because one lacks the elementary self-discipline necessary to keep one's house clean, or to keep track of one's possessions, is ridiculous on the face of it.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Once you have the rights to use software that you paid for, do you not have the right to modify it so long as only you use it?
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Kegwen probably says this to all the girls:
comparing the extermity, not saying that because it's less extreme than stealing stuff that it isn't stealing at all.I AM STEALING MUSIC. I AM A THEFT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
Property is property, mi amigo. It's all theft, and theft is theft.
Now go steal a clue, brigand.
I am also considering warezing Baldur's Gate 2 since it's been two years since I last had the game and the chances for me getting it back are disgustingly slim now. I'm going to try to beat it out of my brother for a LITTLE bit more; then I am getting drastic.
What does this contribute? nothing, as I do not wish to get involved in the clusterfuck that is this arguement. I'm just pointlessly commenting. La la la.
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Nicole wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I have my Circle of Dust and Final Fantasy mp3s; I am happy.I am also considering warezing Baldur's Gate 2 since it's been two years since I last had the game and the chances for me getting it back are disgustingly slim now. I'm going to try to beat it out of my brother for a LITTLE bit more; then I am getting drastic.
What does this contribute? nothing, as I do not wish to get involved in the clusterfuck that is this arguement. I'm just pointlessly commenting. La la la.
Everybody says you have sex with swamp creatures.
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Kegwen thought about the meaning of life:
Honest question:Once you have the rights to use software that you paid for, do you not have the right to modify it so long as only you use it?
No, you don't. I've never seen a commecial EULA that didn't expressly forbid such things.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
No, you don't. I've never seen a commecial EULA that didn't expressly forbid such things.
Hmph. How annoying.
edit: don't even reply, you're just making things worse by prompting me to speak. Waisz's argument was very much a logical one, yet you refute it with the same damn reply you give every time regardless of what someone says. [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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How.... Iron Parcelan.... uughhhhhh:
Everybody says you have sex with swamp creatures.
That's not swamp creatures, that's Leopold.
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Kegwen probably says this to all the girls:
Hmph. How annoying.edit: don't even reply, you're just making things worse by prompting me to speak. Waisz's argument was very much a logical one, yet you refute it with the same damn reply you give every time regardless of what someone says.
Here's a thought for you: if your sole purpose in speaking is to annoy me, or attempt to call me names, then simply refrain from speaking in the future. You've contributed nothing to this thread:
"Yeah--what he said!"
"I'm a thief, but it's qualitatively different, and somehow better, when I do it!"
"No, I'm not wrong!"
"Quit saying I'm wrong!"
Jesus. Either make a case for whatever it is you think you've got to say, or STFU. You're like a little yappy dog running around our ankles, demanding attention and wasting gravity, but contributing nothing in return.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Kegwen had this to say about Knight Rider:
You've completely misinterpreted almost everything I've said. Bye now.
Which, all things considered, means you've done a remarkably poor job expressing yourself.
Why not go work on that a bit?
Alone.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
