Hey, you live in Oklahoma. Doesn't take much to get on the news there, right?
"Film at 11! Old Widow Pimbrooke fell and broke her hip!"
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D had this to say about Optimus Prime:
...I offer you line breaks. I have a few too many as it is.
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Second part sucks though. Sorry. She's just trying to get riiiich.
And that teacher, I'm sorry to say, isn't going to come out of this easily. Even if he's proven innocent, even if the whole damn world beleives he did nothing, he'll carry that stain for a while. If it's on the news and if the news shows in any large location, I'm sorry to say, he is first-class fux0red.
Sigh.
I hate it when these things happen to people they should never happen to.
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How.... Azrael/Cthon.... uughhhhhh:
How about he counter-sues that she is either criminally insane and should be committed, or for falsifying a case?
As she is underage, the fault would be placed on her parents and they would be the ones sued.
As for Sol's point, yaes. That poor teacher will never live it down. However, neither will the girl, unless she moves to a whole different state and starts all over again... but it'd still be on her transcripts, etc.
It was kind of interesting, because the news said that he was writing notes to her that said "Do you want to lay me?" with two checkboxes, labeled 'yes' and 'no'. It said that she was called up from her desk and he gave her the note (Post-It Note). Said she was confused, or something like that, but she went back to her seat, and over the course of the hour, he eventually gave her 30 notes, all saying that.
I mean, like, WTF. I thought they'd at least try to be realistic about it. Someone said that he had 'turned himself in'..? Unh? I dunno.
I did think it was nice, though, how when all the kids by the news van finally peeled themselves away ("OMGZOMGZOMGZ CAMARA~~~~ NEWS 9 I WANNA B ON TV OMGZ~~~~") and got back to the bus line, the counselor said she hoped they had said only good things about Turner. So obviously she believes it's crap, too. I just thought that was neat.
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Mad Psycho wrote this stupid crap:
He is African American but very nice and he is one of those teachers that make you want to goto school.
I really hope she loses. If she wins, it proves once again that our legal system is a worthless pile of shit.
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There was much rejoicing when Kloie said this:
Tael, if she's anything like I think she is, she probably will win. Especially with the way people seem to like to act in this state. My mom is cool with her sister being a lesbian, but she once told me she'd disown me if I ever brought home a black guy and told her I was going to marry him.
Thats no good at all.
If he loses, theres always appeals (If they accept the case)
"Algebra pod"
that just sounds cool, and I don't even like bloody math.
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Nobody really understood why Mad Psycho wrote:
He is African American but very nice
How dare those uppity niggers go and get nice? [ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: Comrade_Snoota ]
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So quoth Comrade_Snoota:
How dare those uppity niggers go and get nice?
Nice Snoota, what's next spics or chinks? Maybe wops? How about fags or honkeys? Please because we need more vile, ugly words to use to prove an irrelevant point.
[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: Emil ]
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Emil had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Nice Snoota, what's next spics or chinks? Maybe wops? How about fags or honkeys? Please because we need more vile, ugly words to use to prove an irrelevant point.
whats a wop and honkee?
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mog's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
whats a wop and honkee?
*sigh*, honkey - derogatory word for a white person (ever watch the Jeffersons?)
Wop - derogatory word for an Italian (most mobs movies have someone using this word somewhere)
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Emil thought about the meaning of life:
*sigh*, honkey - derogatory word for a white person (ever watch the Jeffersons?)
oh, sorry, im used to saltine cracker
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Emil's account was hax0red to write:
Nice Snoota, what's next spics or chinks? Maybe wops? How about fags or honkeys? Please because we need more vile, ugly words to use to prove an irrelevant point.
You entirely missed Snoota's point, didn't you? 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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This one time, at Bloodsage camp:
You entirely missed Snoota's point, didn't you?
no, I didn't miss the point Blood, I had a problem in how he was trying to get us there.
Ever seen Blazing Saddles?
I think. I need to go watch that again.
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A sleep deprived Emil stammered:
no, I didn't miss the point Blood, I had a problem in how he was trying to get us there.
Snoota made his point quite effectively, and his paraphrase accurately highlighted the underlying meaning of the original phrase, couched though it was in P-C bullshit language.
There was nothing wrong with the word as he used it; it wasn't being used at anyone, or in a derogatory manner of any kind.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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D had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Get who where?Ever seen Blazing Saddles?
I think. I need to go watch that again.
I have not seen Blazing Saddles, if Snoota's reference was to a bit in Blazing Saddles, then I did miss the point. However, I just find it odd that the first post that I have seen on this particular board that contained the words African American would also contain the word nigger.
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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Snoota made his point quite effectively, and his paraphrase accurately highlighted the underlying meaning of the original phrase, couched though it was in P-C bullshit language.There was nothing wrong with the word as he used it; it wasn't being used at anyone, or in a derogatory manner of any kind.
Not to hijack this thread cause I could go all day on this subject, and BloodSage, we should start another thread, cause the first question I have for you is, are you black?
and it drives me crazy how much that word is overused today by blakcs and popele pretending to mbe black, its crazy, saying that its socialy aceptable is like saying its ok for a female to go aorund calling every other female bitch
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How.... Emil.... uughhhhhh:
Not to hijack this thread cause I could go all day on this subject, and BloodSage, we should start another thread, cause the first question I have for you is, are you black?
What does that matter?
Or are you one of those who think that it's only racism if white people do it?
Snoota wasn't calling anyone a nigger, or using the term in a derogatory manner toward anyone but Psycho Pike. She might as well have used the word in her post, since her unfortunate word choice gave "African-American" essentially the same meaning.
Nor does "African-American" mean jack shit unless you emigrated here. And then, more properly, it should be either "naturalized American" or "Specific Country-American."
Race is a meaningless term, and people need to get over it. Which was Snoota's point. In case you missed the news when the human genome was decoded, the scientists who did it said there is no genetic basis for the concept or race.
Snoota was pointing out the meaning of the original phrase, not making that statement himself.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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There was much rejoicing when Bloodsage said this:
What does that matter?If your not black you cannot possibly comprehend how it feels to just even hear the word nigger. You will never know what's it like to not get a bank loan cause of your skin, or a job, or a house. Racism still exists.
BS: Or are you one of those who think that it's only racism if white people do it?
Emil: This is a more difficult issue for me, I think NO ONE should use it. But from my understanding, Black folk who use the word "nigger" actually "nigga", are taking power from the word by making it their own.
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Snoota wasn't calling anyone a nigger, or using the term in a derogatory manner toward anyone but Psycho Pike. She might as well have used the word in her post, since her unfortunate word choice gave "African-American" essentially the same meaning.Emil: I never said Snoota was calling anyone a nigger, I objected to him using the word. Yes, I do believe he was dissing Psycho Pike. But using "nigger" to prove his point...well let's just say two wrongs don't make a right.[\b]
Nor does "African-American" mean jack shit unless you emigrated here. And then, more properly, it should be either "naturalized American" or "Specific Country-American."
Emil: This is utter conservative bullshit. The descendants of the slaves that America used to build itself up still exist. From what I have seen, African Americans are trying to rebuild their culture, because they were brutally torn from it. Who the fuck are you to decide what black people want to call themeselves?[\b]
Race is a meaningless term, and people need to get over it. Which was Snoota's point. In case you missed the news when the human genome was decoded, the scientists who did it said there is no genetic basis for the concept or race.Emil: Race is a meaningless term only if your white. Black people didn't invent the concept of race, they were and still are the victims of it. Hurray for science, they figured out what everyone else should have figured out thousands of years ago.[\b]
Snoota was pointing out the meaning of the original phrase, not making that statement himself.
[b]Again, two wrongs don't make a right[\b]
*sigh* I don't know how to use all the EC tools yet, plz forgive [ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: Emil ]
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D had this to say about pies:
UBB pwned Emil so Sage doesn't have to.
Yes UBB owned me, I admit
Political correctness sucks.
Teacher should win.
Im going to blow up wisconsin.
A kid punched through a 4 inch plane of glass at my school. The blood looked really cool.
I shall now dance. Tegadil does the pasty-white-crackerboy loser dance.
Most of the African-Americans that I encounter that bitch about racism-this and slavery-that wouldn't know what EITHER was if it jumped up and bit them on the nuts. Some of the OLDER people remember racism, NONE remember slavery. The older folks who do remember racism don't seem to bitch as much these days. Wonder why that is? It's because there is no real racism today.
Here's the real world:
A White Guy, a Black Guy, and a Spanish Woman apply for a job. All 3 are equally qualified. All 3 are a good candidate for the position. Most likely to get the job? Depends on the environment they're going into. If company X has already reached it's "quota" for minorities, the White Guy stands as much chance as the Black Guy, with the Spanish Woman comming in as a second. If they're a little low on the "quota", it's the Black Guy, followed by the Spanish Woman and then the White Guy. And god forbid if they're REALLY low on "quota", because the Spanish Woman counts as *2* monority "points" (being female, and being a "non-caucasian").
This is what all thoes whiny bastards have brought us. Instead of looking at merits and other things companies have to consider this "quota" and worry about being sued senseless for turning down some one other than the White Guy. It's not fair, I don't think it's even proper, but it's the way things are. I've watched co-workers drop HINTS that they might be considering an Affirmative Action case, and management start doing anything they can, within reason, to avoid it. If I threatened to sue, as a white male, I'd probally be laughed at.
What I find even funnier... The use of the word "nigger". No one can use it to refer to anyone else, except black people. One black guy says "Whazzup muh niggah?" (line blatantly stolen from Rush Hour) to another black guy and it's ok. They can spout the word 873638753463873465875 in some rap song and it's ok (and don't get me started on the subject of "gangsta rap"). How can it be OK for some and not for others? How in the FUCK can that NOT be called racism when anyone else using the word gets smacked with a lawsuit?
I'm done ranting for a bit....
I speel gud, ya? [ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: RPC ]
The word itself isn't something wrong, it's the ideas it represents, the off-hand denigration it stood for for so long. Would you object to the word being placed in a history book telling about the history of opression? No, because there the word is used to help inform people of a past wrong, and helping to prevent it from ever happening again.
Snoota was only working to call attention to a very bad attitude seen in the first post, he was working against the very off-hand denigration the word represents. Could he have used another word? Yes, but then his reply wouldn't have nearly the same power, his current post shows just how dangerous that attitude can be, far more than if he had used another word. He was working to destroy that attitude, not support it. I don't see why you have a problem with that.
In the beginning the Universe was created.Douglas Adams, 1952-2001
Most of the African-Americans that I encounter that bitch about racism-this and slavery-that wouldn't know what EITHER was if it jumped up and bit them on the nuts. Some of the OLDER people remember racism, NONE remember slavery. The older folks who do remember racism don't seem to bitch as much these days. Wonder why that is? It's because there is no real racism today.
Emil: Deth where do you live? It must be a really nice place, I should move there, cause your not talking about the country I live in. I have experienced racism (latino not black), and I have seen racism first hand. What some of the OLDER people remember is segregation, what some of the younger people know are slums, drugs, crime, etc.
Here's the real world:
A White Guy, a Black Guy, and a Spanish Woman apply for a job. All 3 are equally qualified. All 3 are a good candidate for the position. Most likely to get the job? Depends on the environment they're going into. If company X has already reached it's "quota" for minorities, the White Guy stands as much chance as the Black Guy, with the Spanish Woman comming in as a second. If they're a little low on the "quota", it's the Black Guy, followed by the Spanish Woman and then the White Guy. And god forbid if they're REALLY low on "quota", because the Spanish Woman counts as *2* monority "points" (being female, and being a "non-caucasian").
Emil: Ok, Gydyon I need your help here, aren't quotas illegal, and haven't they been illegal for quite some time? Besides, the greatest beneficiary to Affirmative Action has been WHITE women.
This is what all thoes whiny bastards have brought us. Instead of looking at merits and other things companies have to consider this "quota" and worry about being sued senseless for turning down some one other than the White Guy. It's not fair, I don't think it's even proper, but it's the way things are. I've watched co-workers drop HINTS that they might be considering an Affirmative Action case, and management start doing anything they can, within reason, to avoid it. If I threatened to sue, as a white male, I'd probally be laughed at.
Emil: Whiny bastards like who? Martin Luther King? Maybe, your speaking of Malcolm X, maybe Cornel West, or Maya Angelou. Yeah, these are some whiny bastards indeed
What I find even funnier... The use of the word "nigger". No one can use it to refer to anyone else, except black people. One black guy says "Whazzup muh niggah?" (line blatantly stolen from Rush Hour) to another black guy and it's ok. They can spout the word 873638753463873465875 in some rap song and it's ok (and don't get me started on the subject of "gansta rap"). How can it be OK for some and not for others? How in the FUCK can that NOT be called racism when anyone else using the word gets smacked with a lawsuit?
Emil: When's it's used for the almighty dollar I do cringe, but again, I believe when black folk use it, it takes power out of the word. And again, they didn't invent the word. [ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: Emil ]
But...this is coming from the guy who looks like he does slave labor in the coal pits.
It's not quite correct to say that racism is dead, except that aimed at white males through affirmative action.
Here in the South, it's a whole different world.
I think it'll be another generation or three before people truly come to their senses.
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Emil,
What did Snoota do wrong, exactly? Use a word you don't like? Get over it.
He didn't use it in any derogatory manner at all.
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In general,
Anyone who hasn't already should look into the true history of slavery. It's an interesting story, and not all the bad guys are white.
Slavery, it turns out, is not something white dudes inflicted on black dudes. No European country raided Africa taking slaves. Roots, in short, got it wrong.
The vast majority of slaves shipped to Europe and America were captured by other Africans--sometimes deep in the interior--and brought to the coast for sale to Europeans. By the local African government.
None of it was done by force; it was by mutual agreement, usually.
Just a history moment. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
He doesn't destroy the attitude by using the word in a flip remark. He helps to propogate it.
