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KaLourin had this to say about Captain Planet:
oh for the love of god almighty...
the paladins in the guild are male ok? I openly joke about homosexuality in game, here and in chat. Tal, Snoota, Trent.. You actually take me seriously?
omg.. *cries*
I R SO ALONE!
Well, except for that whole being married and not gay thing. Cause ya know.. you're only gay if you swallow..
And Lyinar.. Who the fuck are you to tell other people how thier relationships should be? YOUR definition of marriage may be differant than another persons. Your ideals of commitment may be different than the ideals of another person. Synny and KaL Love eachother. SO MIND YER DAMNED BUSINESS. Its not like you are a close personal friend of thiers, or are personally involved, so WHY THE FUCK do you even have an opinion?
AND HE WAS MARRIED!
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Synjari's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Bitch.. keep your comments the fuck to yourself.. you know NOTHING about my goddamned marriage.. you are not here when I fuck my husband.. so shut the fuck up. And learn to take a goddamned joke!
That was, actually, an unclear point in the discussion we had in IRC. And the fundamental question isn't why YOU, Synjari and KaLourin, got married. It's clear to anyone on the forums that you are and were long before you came here, a happy couple. So before you go baring your "Lyinar is evil" banner once again...let me explain the point we tried to explain to Gikkwiny before she stormed out in a huff.
Seems someone needs to do some damage control here.
We've never gotten a clear cut, logical answer to the question of "Why do some people get married if they never intend to hold to the tenets of a marriage". Note that by that question, we were not in any way singling YOU out, Synjari and KaLourin. I repeat: We were not singling you out. The conversation started more or less by Lyinar stating that she could not "get" the mindset that states the aforementioned scenario is "okay". With me so far? Okay...here's where it gets a bit more complicated.
People are raised in the United States with a (generally) succinct idea of what a marriage is. You could loosely state that a marriage is fundamentally a spiritually, and more to the point legally, binding monogamous contract. There are groups (some radical elements of Mormonism were brought up, even though the core body of the Mormon Church has denounced the practice) that still believe in polygamy, but the majority agrees to monogamy. Bigamy (that is, legal marriage to more than one person), and Polygamy are illegal.
But polygamy isn't the issue. The issue is, why get married if you're going to violate the tenets anyway? There's no advantage to it...If you get married and start carrying on with someone outside of your marriage online, in most states of the Union, your spouse can sue for divorce on the grounds of adultery and it's admissable as evidence (there was a case of it in Raleigh, NC a few months back when I still lived down there). And that's just on the internet ("cybering"). That's not including the idea of actual physical sexual intercourse. So you're putting yourself in a bad position if you involve yourself in "unofficial" polygamy (some Mormons factor in the idea of "common law" marriages, which most states don't recognize for reasons I'm about to go into in a moment). And even in an "unofficial" polygamist situation, only ONE wife and ONE set of children (unless officially adopted by the insurance-carrying parent, which can only happen so many times before someone takes notice) can be on insurance. You can't claim most of them as dependents, and the list goes on.
So there's no active advantage to a bigamist or polygamist lifestyle.
Now why do I bring it up in the first place? Because inevitably someone starts touting the rights of someone to do whatever they want. That's nice. We live in a law-abiding society. You might be breaking a law where if no one complains, no one goes to jail, but it's still a violation of the law, and fundamentally you don't get any legal advantages for it. So do what you like, avoid legal troubles, and if you're entirely scrupulous only some of the people you're humping outside of marriage get messed with.
Don't even get into the idea of hindu and moslem multiple marriages. Those aren't the sort of marriages we're talking about here, and people who bring them up inevitably sound like bloody idiots when the facts of how those marriages really work come out.
So let's move away from multiple marriages and get into the concept of casual fuck buddies. I've heard the term "Polyamory" and "Open Marriage" tossed around, but they're oxymorons when taken into context of the fundamental nature of a marriage as defined byt he majority of the populace of this country. Are you married? Are you spiritually and legally beholden to one spouse, to hold above all others? Did you, in fact, choose them over everyone else and that is the fundamental reason why you decided to settle with them for the rest of your life as per the general consensus meaning of marriage? Are you happy? If you answered yes to these questions, then why are you screwing around?
Why, in other words, do you enter into a legally (and arguably spiritually) binding contractual arrangement, only to violate all of it's tenets once inside the relationship?
The best excuse yet I've heard is the basic "because we wanna" which more or less means "Screw you, you don't get it and we do, and your rules don't apply to me, and you're beholden to outdated concepts from the Man" which is great if you're a hippy, but doesn't really answer the question.
But at no time were we necessarily singling YOU out, Synjari and KaLourin. The possibility KaL WASN'T joking opened up an interesting door to debate. We opted to go through it.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
AND GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Btw. One last thing.. This woulda been said had I seen the post regardless of Gikk saying anything to me or not.. so stop blaming it on Gikk running off to me. Also.. Lyinar DID single KaL out in THIS thread.. saying why do *YOU* bother getting married.. that was said in response to KaLourin. [ 06-27-2003: Message edited by: Synjari ]
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Seems someone needs to do some damage control here.
Not you.
You are too longwinded, and overexplain things that are fairly simple.
And most of us dont really care. Lyinar insulted KaL and Synny, and it doesn't matter if she meant to or not. Lyinar needs to be the one to apologize and explain, not you.
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Azureusu Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Lyinar insulted KaL and Synny, and it doesn't matter if she meant to or not. Lyinar needs to be the one to apologize and explain, not you.
By all means continue the discussion. I just love being a topic without my consent. Oh.. but I just gave it right now didnt I? But of course it wouldn't matter if I did or didn't. You've already both overstepped the boundaries by bringing MY personal life into your little discussion as "an example." I thank you for the professional courtesy.
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Don't be a fuckhead...
Continue all arguments there. [ 06-27-2003: Message edited by: Black Mage ]
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Black Mage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
The flameball forum is there for a reason.http://forums.evercrest.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=18&t=000071
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Don't be a fuckhead...Continue all arguments there.
You aint a mod on this side of the fence, Monkeyboy.
quote:You're right. You're absolutely damn right.
Azureusu, I only have eyes for you:
You aint a mod on this side of the fence, Monkeyboy.
But when Drysart sees this, how unimaginably joyful, happy, and radiant do you think he's going to be?
And how cheerful are you when you get the same treament as Faz got?
*shrug*
Now bugger off. [ 06-27-2003: Message edited by: Azureusu ]
