But yes, North Carolina is sadly retarded.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Also, thanks to our christian conservatives, you are still way ahead of us on that matter. Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 05-09-2012 at 02:47 PM.
I can only hope that this will galvanize the Democratic base a bit more. It's not as if this will make conservatives vote against him harder; they're already galvanized.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
The time was ripe to start talking about social issues.
I suppose we'll see how sincere all this talk is when we see some legislation come out of it, but I am not holding my breath.
As an American this whole situation grinds my gears. Telling American citizens they can't do something that doesn't harm others is pretty much the definition of unamerican. In regards to gay marriage - who gives a crap what other people do? The obsession over this doesn't make any sense to me - it seems arbitrary and random, like "here's something that you probably never thought about once in your life and has nothing to do with us. let's waste our energy shitting on the foundation of our own ethics for no reason."
Gays should be able to marry and I should be able to buy alcohol on Sundays. diadem fucked around with this message on 05-10-2012 at 06:27 AM.
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The time was ripe to start talking about social issues.I suppose we'll see how sincere all this talk is when we see some legislation come out of it, but I am not holding my breath.
Apparently there is a clear divide in the Republican party on this issue: young Republicans are either indifferent or supportive of marriage equality, and the old people are the ones raising a stink (and, as the ones in power, passing marriage bans). Famously, however, there is the case of New Hampshire, where a newly-minted GOP supermajority in the legislature overwhelmingly rejected legislation to repeal the state's marriage equality law. And of course, there is New York, whose GOP-controlled state legislature passed a marriage equality law last year(the first time that has happened).
There are definitely Republican leaders who now understand that they are on the wrong side of history when it comes to the gay marriage debate. They are a minority, but they are growing.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Bet hedgers will tend to fall on the opposition side.
It's one of those issues that shows a discrepancy between stated and revealed preferences, and I wonder if the Obama campaign isn't misoverestimating the steam behind it.
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It's one of those issues that shows a discrepancy between stated and revealed preferences, and I wonder if the Obama campaign isn't misoverestimating the steam behind it.
This is definitely true; polls indicate one thing, but gay marriage bans pass with higher actual margins than predicted, as occurred in California. It seems that people are uncomfortable saying they're bigoted against gay people, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they let their inner asshole out. That, or the polling itself is flawed, and it's not getting an accurate representative slice of homophobes out there.
But I think the Obama campaign is actually smart in letting this out now, six months removed from Election Day. There is simply no way to keep the Republican base in a Santorum over this issue for that period of time. This will become one of many reasons why Republicans will not vote for Obama, along the fact that he's socialist, Marxist, a secret Muslim, not an American citizen, master of abortions and death panels, and half black. Meanwhile, horrible godless liberals like me will vote for him for those same reasons, his support of marriage equality one of them.
I don't think this is going to be a tipping point for a huge segment of the population, one way or the other. It could've been huge if he had dropped it during the third debate, let's say. But now? Not so much.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
States rights? The legality of gay marriage is already decided by the states.
The only reason anybody cares at all about what the president thinks is because it might influence a policy decision, but here's Obama telling us that he wants to keep the policy just the way it is.
This is coming from a guy who wrote two books in which he speaks in glowing terms about the role of government as a tool for social change?
So I guess we can all stop hoping for any kind of policy change, all Obama was telling us was that he now feels differently.
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States rights? The legality of gay marriage is already decided by the states.
Well, only in that people get married in states. There actually is a federal law defining marriage as heterosexual only, the Defense of Marriage Act, IIR the name correctly. It actually has a pretty big effect on the military, since even though gays can now serve openly, any marriage or civil unions they enter into are not recognized by Uncle Sam.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Well, only in that people get married in states. There actually is a federal law defining marriage as heterosexual only, the Defense of Marriage Act, IIR the name correctly. It actually has a pretty big effect on the military, since even though gays can now serve openly, any marriage or civil unions they enter into are not recognized by Uncle Sam.
Ah you're right, I did forget about DOMA.
So Obama's statement basically means that he opposes DOMA, but doesn't mind states making gay marriage illegal, when most of them have done just that.
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Well, only in that people get married in states. There actually is a federal law defining marriage as heterosexual only, the Defense of Marriage Act, IIR the name correctly. It actually has a pretty big effect on the military, since even though gays can now serve openly, any marriage or civil unions they enter into are not recognized by Uncle Sam.
I'm going to let my ignorance shine here. Are there any documents that old warfighters were supposed to sign stating that stated they are not gay or bi back in the day? If so, even if their orientation was retroactively made O.K., wouldn't the fact they lied have some ramifications?
Even if they didn't, i remember the UCMJ used to have some strict stuff against like that (as well other aspects of personal conduct). Even thought things may be different now, the fact remains that they WERE in violation of the rules before policy changed. I don't really think the military is big on leniency.
disclaimer: This just a question of enforcement of policy and how the laws work. From a pure logistical perspective, I'd like to know how that worked without making some catch-22 style action happen by individuals who care for nothing but following policy. Ghost of Forums Past fucked around with this message on 05-13-2012 at 11:10 AM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
