Myself? I'm voting for Gloria La Riva of the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Or Obama. But really, what's the difference between the two, rite?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
He may be a socialist but he's a smart socialist. McCain is not the kind of guy I want leading the country anymore.
While I would prefer Obama over McCain, I don't see either of them as worthy of my vote. Obama is too far left, and the Obama/Pelosi/Reid block scares me, as does any unbalanced government. When McCain breaks with his own party, it's generally in order to screw us harder (McCain/Feingold anyone?), and while he has recently been making free-market overtures, I doubt his sincerity. Also, Palin reeks of the cronyism and gestapo style government that we have come to know any love since FDR.
While I am voting for Barr, I must say that his campaign is a dismal failure. This really seemed like a good election for a Libertarian to make a run, and Barr managed to bore everyone out of making it so.
All the other third party candidates are either to the left of Obama or nutjobs (Baldwin, this is you).
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The propaganda machine of Steven Steve's junta released this statement:
I'm voting for my best friend!!!
Thanks, Steve, but you don't need to do that. I already know that we're best buds!
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Kinanik stopped beating up furries long enough to write:the Obama/Pelosi/Reid block scares me, as does any unbalanced government.
This even makes me a little uneasy. We all see how well undivided government worked from 2001-2005...
Regardless, Palin alone is enough to discount the McCain ticket.
The fully Dem. contolled government argument should have been more of the central argument of the McCain campaign, rather than the Ayers shit that just turned everyone off. It would have at least been a legitimate one.
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hay guys whats going on in Norim Stumpfighter's head:
I have no idea who I'm going to vote for. Currently I'm not enamored with any of the candidates. But I sorta feel like voting for any of the minority candidates seems like a wasted vote. That's me, and I really don't like politics.
If all the people who felt that voting a third party was a throw away actually voted third party, then it would not be a wasted vote. If there is a sizable minority that feels that neither of the major parties represents them, then at worst one of the parties will have to alter their platform to cater to the needs of that constituency (See: Populist party, Eugene V Debs). At best, we could Whig-ify one of the major parties, or at least get some people elected on the local level.
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Damnati was listening to Cher while typing:
Voting McCain for two reasons: 1) Do not fucking want retarded socialist fucktard in office and 2) McCain is the only other candidate that will garner enough votes to be realistic competition. I don't much like McCain but I'd rather vote against Obama than throw away my vote on some third party douchebag that never had a chance to begin with.
Ah, the John Kerry effect
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A sleep deprived Damnati stammered:
Voting McCain for two reasons: 1) Do not fucking want retarded socialist fucktard in office and 2) McCain is the only other candidate that will garner enough votes to be realistic competition. I don't much like McCain but I'd rather vote against Obama than throw away my vote on some third party douchebag that never had a chance to begin with.
We already have a progressive tax system that "redistributes the wealth" and both McCain and Obama support that type of tax system. Obama just wants to raise the amount the wealthiest pay 3%, which would bring it back to the Clinton rates. How is that in any comparable terms socialist? Or by that definition, McCain is a socialist too, but slightly less so? Zair fucked around with this message on 10-22-2008 at 05:25 PM.
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Verily, Kinanik doth proclaim:
If all the people who felt that voting a third party was a throw away actually voted third party, then it would not be a wasted vote. If there is a sizable minority that feels that neither of the major parties represents them, then at worst one of the parties will have to alter their platform to cater to the needs of that constituency (See: Populist party, Eugene V Debs). At best, we could Whig-ify one of the major parties, or at least get some people elected on the local level.
oh, I know that on any level, your vote counts. The least it does is take away possible votes from someone you don't really like. I know I'll vote, but I have no idea for who.
The only thing that is keeping the democrats strong is the fact that the USA hates republicans right now.
Each one's tax plan works out worse for the hated poor.
Each one despises ethnic minorities.
I guess I'll vote for whichever one gives me the best chance of seizing Karnaj's assets in the name of the Lord.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Knight Rider:
This is a tough call.Each one's tax plan works out worse for the hated poor.
Each one despises ethnic minorities.
I guess I'll vote for whichever one gives me the best chance of seizing Karnaj's assets in the name of the Lord.
The only thing of Karnaj's you'll be seizing is his ass.
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Blindy. had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
The only thing that is keeping the democrats strong is the fact that the USA hates republicans right now.
This. I'm voting for Obama but I'm honestly not that crazy about him, I just can't fucking stand McCain.
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Monica had this to say about the Spice Girls:
This. I'm voting for Obama but I'm honestly not that crazy about him, I just can't fucking stand McCain.
Vote Green or Lib then. Voting for one of the majors just encourages them to continue throwing the same shit up.
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This one time, at Naimah camp:
Vote Green or Lib then. Voting for one of the majors just encourages them to continue throwing the same shit up.
Neither will be on the ballot, and write-ins are not allowed in Oklahoma.
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Naimah had this to say about pies:
Vote Green or Lib then. Voting for one of the majors just encourages them to continue throwing the same shit up.
Unless the party has major recognition and can garner at least 5% of the popular vote or so, the major parties still won't give a shit.
Better advise is to vote whatever you think of as the lesser of two evils for the president, and vote 3rd party or independent for any local races that are applicable (like someone mentioned above).
Even better advice, actually: Vote for the lesser evil if you are in a swing state. If you are in a safe state then make a statement.
Kegwen fucked around with this message on 10-22-2008 at 11:31 PM.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Kegwen who doth quote:
I'm looking forward to the inevitable split in the Republican party. I think I'd be cool with supporting the non-religious right wing of the party
Oh fuck would I like to see that. Religious authoritarianism does not jibe with economic libertarianism. As I indicated previously, they are contradictory positions.
Maybe then the dominionists from the Republicans can team up with the Marxists from the Democrats and form one great big leprous party that almost everyone can despise without reservation. Jeremiah Wright can be their presidential candidate every year, with Cynthia McKinney as VP and Michael Phelps as campaign coordinator.
It's not very likely to happen, though. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 10-23-2008 at 12:03 AM.
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Nobody really understood why Zair wrote:
Unless the party has major recognition and can garner at least 5% of the popular vote or so, the major parties still won't give a shit.Better advise is to vote whatever you think of as the lesser of two evils for the president, and vote 3rd party or independent for any local races that are applicable (like someone mentioned above).
Even better advice, actually: Vote for the lesser evil if you are in a swing state. If you are in a safe state then make a statement.
And as long as you think that way the minor parties will never have any say. Congratulations on being part of the problem. Backing the winning horse wins you nothing.
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There was much rejoicing when Naimah said this:
And as long as you think that way the minor parties will never have any say. Congratulations on being part of the problem. Backing the winning horse wins you nothing.
I'm not saying it is always throwing your vote away, it is conditional.
If you vote for a party that is polling at 0.2% of the electorate, you are wasting your vote. The main political parties are going to have no reason to adopt their causes. This is still ok if:
a) you honestly think the two big parties are so similar it makes no difference which wins (not the case)
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b) You live in a state that is going to go towards one party by double-digit margins
If you live in a swing state and the third party you like has no chance of reaching 5% nationally (to achieve matching funds the next election) I don't really see the point.
Also, I bet if some of these third party candidates were given the kind of media scrutiny that Obama and McCain have, they would look just as shitty. Zair fucked around with this message on 10-23-2008 at 12:52 AM.
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Cool Hand Luke's fortune cookie read:
I'm voting for Obama because I don't claim my approximately 37K in tips and Zair said Democrats are easier on crime so I'll have a shorter sentence when I inevitably go to jail.
Don't forget being able to marry your boyfriend.
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Kermitov 2 probably says this to all the girls:
none of your damn business
Tell us we need to know
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nem-x had this to say about Robocop:
i bet hes voting mccain 10bux
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Cool Hand Luke's account was hax0red to write:
I'm voting for Obama because I don't claim my approximately 37K in tips and Zair said Democrats are easier on crime so I'll have a shorter sentence when I inevitably go to jail.
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Or just keep doing it the way we have been doing it and allow for the two parties to see who can throw out more pork to more groups. 
Obama is steadfastly dedicated to FDR style big government, but a significant libertarian vote might make him reel in some despotic inroads into individual property rights. I feel it's the best chance we've got.
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Naimah spewed forth this undeniable truth:
If you vote third party in swing states you have an even bigger voice. The two candidates are fighting for every vote in those states, and if 50-80k people are voting for a third party in those states you better believe they will look at altering their platform the next election to absorb more of those voters.Or just keep doing it the way we have been doing it and allow for the two parties to see who can throw out more pork to more groups.
Except this election is incredibly important for issues like the Supreme Court. The next president could appoint up to three justices. If you live in a swing state, and the liberal/conservative composition of the Supreme Court matters to you at all, you are wasting your vote making a "message" that the big parties MAY hear or not. Obama and McCain are going to nominate very different justices and whoever they do will probably be there for 20+ years (example: McCain said at one of the debates he would not nominate a justice that supported Roe v Wade).
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Check out the big brain on Maradon!!
Third party votes aren't "wasted", the major parties will adjust their platform if they see a third party getting a lot of votes. In the unlikely event that libertarians got 15% of the vote, the president elect would be awfully stupid not to be mindful of the positions of those voters when implimenting policy.Obama is steadfastly dedicated to FDR style big government, but a significant libertarian vote might make him reel in some despotic inroads into individual property rights. I feel it's the best chance we've got.
Can you give any evidence of this third party effect from the last 2 elections? I'm not saying it doesn't exist,I just can't for the life of me think of a concrete example.
